What’s the Tooth Fairy’s Going Rate These Days? – Ep. 369
July 28, 2025
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In the special segment “Throwback,” Shanna turns back time to tell the story of the time she made a mortifying mistake at her college job and turned to her mom for help. Also, Laura talks about the surprising incident that knocked out her 6-year-old’s first tooth, and Shanna discusses how her daughters were seemingly typecast in their musical theater production. Finally, the moms share their BFPs and BFNs for the week. Shanna’s kids are 6.5 and 9 years old, and Laura’s kids are 6.5 years old and 4 years old.
Topics discussed in this episode:
-When your kid doesn’t get a good role in their play
-How much money does the Tooth Fairy give for a lost tooth?
-Shanna’s story about humiliating herself at her college office job
-Parenting your kids when they make mistakes and learn lessons the hard way
-Going to a sing-along movie screening with preschoolers
-Having an unexpected celebrity sighting in Los Angeles
-The best way to get gum out of your kid’s hair
Products, links, resources mentioned in this episode:
–Core Power chocolate protein shakes that Auggie loves
–Vidiots Non-Profit Video Store
–“Encanto at the Hollywood Bowl” on Disney+
–TikTok from @mabrowsandhair about the BEST way to get gum out of hair
Past BFP episodes mentioned in this episode:
–Ep. 170 (For Shanna’s story about removing permanent marker from her daughter’s face)
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Episode Transcript
Shanna
Hi, welcome to Big Fat Positive with Shanna and Laura. On this week's episode, we have our weekly check-ins, we have our special segment, the rollback, where I tell a story about my first experience with corporate culture and how my mom saved my ass, literally, and then we wrap it up with our weekly BFPs and BFNs. Let's get started.
Laura
Hello everyone, welcome to episode 369.
Shanna
Laura, Laura, Laura, never miss an opportunity for a 69 cackle. It's once every two years, Shanna.
Laura
Like, you gotta give it to me.
Shanna
It's all yours, my friend. It's all yours. Okay, will you give us your check-in for this week? I will. The girls started summer camp number two this week, which is their musical theater camp, which they have done in the past, and they are starting it back up again this week.
Laura
Oh, fun. Yes, I remember it very well from last year. I remember they did some kind of Disney-themed musical or there were Disney-themed characters. I just remember Elle was Jasmine for some reason.
Shanna
Yes. Good memory. Yeah, last year they did Aladdin. She was not Jasmine in that one. They also did Frozen. She was Princess Jasmine in Frozen. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course.
Laura
Yeah, she makes a cameo. Everyone knows that, right? Everyone does.
Shanna
Yeah, everyone knows that. But actually that leads in perfectly to what I was going to talk about in regards to the camp is that casting for the show is always a huge deal, right? It happens like the fourth day of camp and the director adds all these parts. to the play. This time, they're doing The Descendants, which is like a Disney original movie. I had never seen it. I didn't really know what to expect. But I was pretty sure that Princess Elsa is not in The Descendants and Princess Anna and Jasmine. So she adds all these characters so that every single child can have some named to make them feel good.
Laura
I like that. It's very inclusive and adding characters the kids know is so much better than what I had to do, which is like, you're villager number two. It's like, oh, cool, thanks.
Shanna
Pretty sure I was grass in my elementary school play, just grass. Yeah, so this is definitely more inclusive. Everyone gets lines and stuff. Yeah, and so aside from adding like princess roles in the show, she also added other familiar characters like Tinkerbell, Alice, you know, from Alice in Wonderland, Simba, Bo Peep, those kinds of things, right? So I picked the girls up on Thursday, which was the big day. And I was like, okay, girls, what part did you get? And Elle was first. She said, I got Merida. And I was like, who is Merida? That is not one.
Laura
Who is Merida? Shanna, for shame. Please tell us because I was like, I don't know. She's the protagonist of Brave. And Brave is one of those movies I loved when it first came out. And I have to admit, I have not seen it recently. So my memory of the plot is a little fuzzy. But she is that Scottish princess with the shock of bright red curly hair. And she's really good with a bow and arrow. And there's a whole thing about like her mom turning into a bear, I think, in the movie. But that's Merida.
Shanna
Thank you. That's more or less how Elle described Merida. She's like, she's a Scottish princess with red hair. She's very brave. And she's like, it's perfect for me, right, mama? And I'm looking at my daughter with her reddish hair. And every time we do a genealogy, I don't know, like a history of your family thing, we're such a mix. We never know what to pick. she has landed on Scottish because we're like a sliver of Scottish, you know, so she identifies with being Scottish. So she's like, I'm Scottish, I've got red hair, I'm brave. And I was like, oh, wow, they're like totally typecasting this year. Hell is super excited. And it was like a perfect, you know, typecast. I'm like, CECE, what are you? And she's like, I'm grumpy.
It literally, it took a lot for me to not giggle when she's like, I'm grumpy after hearing about Elle being like typecast as Mary that writes. I'm like, I love my daughter. I know that she can be very grumpy. I didn't know she was giving grumpy a camp. You know what I mean?
Laura
And to be fair, she's not stating her emotion. She's saying that she's been cast as grumpy from Snow White, right?
Shanna
Yes, exactly. Yeah, the director had added three of those characters from the show. Grumpy, Doc, and Dopey. I'm like, in my opinion, the worst ones, right? How about Happy and Bashful, but whatever. So I was like, oh no, CeCe's gonna hate this, right? Because there's like, Tinker Bell, Bo Peep, there's all these cute parts and she got grumpy. I was worried, but she's like, no mama, watch this. And she said her line, she had some line in the play. She crosses her arm, she scowls her little face, stumps her foot, she goes, I don't know what we're gonna do about that. And said it in the grumpiest acting tone and then drops it and smiles and I'm just like, oh yay. Okay, good, I'm glad. She's like totally okay with being grumpy.
Laura
She wants the juicy part, right? Like, she doesn't want to be cute and just flitter around like Tinkerbell. No, she wants to really dig deep.
Shanna
Exactly. We all know that my kids love acting. Acting. So, yeah, she can really dig into this one and really take it to the next level. But yeah, so that's really all I have to report this week. The camp is going well, and I'm excited to see how Grumpy and Merida play out in The Descendants. I will let you know.
Laura
Oh yes, I need to know. I'm going to need videos. I'm going to need the whole report.
Shanna
All right. What about you, Laura? What's your check in for this 369th episode?
Laura
Well, Augie has gone to the first week of his camp that's run by his school. It's an after-school program camp. So that's a relief, because last week was a lot of trying to figure out what to do with Augie while he was busy on a deadline. And Sebastian's still in school for a couple more weeks, so about a month, I think. So I was back to having some independence this week, but what I want to report on is an event that happened on a little walk around the neighborhood that we took after dinner this week. Okay. So we've been trying to get out of the house after dinner because the alternative is that the kids rot on the couch watching whatever the hell they're watching while Corey and I tried to clean up or whatever. And it doesn't lead to anyone feeling good, right? So actually, I think it was Augie who first was like, let's go and walk around the neighborhood.
And we were like, oh, it's a very smart, good idea, right? So we've been walking. And then at some point it turned into scooting. So they actually get their scooters out, which they rarely do anymore. And we've been having these nice little walks around the block After dinner. Nice. Yeah, it is really nice. The only problem is getting them to stop their walk, right? So on one night this week, we did our lap. We usually, I don't know, we tell them they can go whatever direction they want. They always pick the same one. So we do a big lap around the block. And the first lap, I think Sebastian was scooting, but Augie wanted to walk. And then we got back to our house and Augie was like, no, I want to scoot. And Cory's like, I gotta start the bath. I gotta do the dishes. And I was like, I will take them. And they're also like, I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I'm like, oh my God.
So I get Augie scooter. They're both scooting now. And I'm like carrying snacks. And one of the things I'm carrying is a bottle of core power chocolate milk. Do you know about this stuff? No. So it's, I think meant for adults, but we found it at our friend's house when we were having a play date and she offered it to Augie and he loved it. And it's basically just like it's fair life, the company that has like the filtered milk so it's like higher in protein. Oh, OK. So anyway, it's basically a high protein chocolate milk. And thankfully, Augie loves it, which is great because we're always trying to find more options that he's willing to eat. So I'm chasing them around the neighborhood in their scooters, carrying various snacks, including this core power bottle. And it comes in like a plastic bottle with a twist-off cap, right? And at some point, Augie's like, I'm thirsty.
I want my core power. I love that. He doesn't say chocolate. He's like, I want my core power. And I'm like, okay, okay, honey. And he's kind of like fumbling with his helmet and trying to get off the scooter. And he's not being the most elegant person I handed to him. And he brings it to his mouth in a bit more violent of a way than he intended. And when he pulled it away, he said, My tooth! Oh no! It's okay. It actually was still in his mouth, so we were able to fish it out. He didn't swallow it. But he had finally knocked his dangling tooth. I mean, it was honestly, like, by a string. But his bottom front tooth, one of them, he knocked it out with his core power. And he was so excited because we were on this walk, actually on this scoot, technically, and he lost his very first tooth.
Shanna
Oh, yay. I'm glad it wasn't so traumatic. You know, I'm glad it was already wiggly and everything and ready to come out.
Laura
Yes, me too. I mean, I don't think that plastic core power bottle could have really actually knocked real teeth out that had roots still, you know. But it is funny because I of course was like, oh my gosh, I gotta take a picture for daddy and grandma and everyone, you know. Or we gotta show them your first lost tooth. But he has all this chocolate milk all over him. Let me send you a picture.
Shanna
All right, let's see. Oh, okay. First of all, he looks very happy about this. He's got a huge chocolate milk mustache and a bit of a, what do they call it when there's like the little patch of a beard? Oh, a little chocolate milk soul patch there. Zooming in to see his gap. Laura, he doesn't have a gap. There's no gap. He doesn't have a gap.
Laura
It's because of the shark teeth. You can see, in fact, he just lost a tooth, but he still has one extra because he still has like the other, he has two shark teeth growing in, right? So he has an extra tooth still. But yeah, so he lost his tooth and there's no gap. So we're hoping it moves forward to like line up with the other teeth. I don't know. We're gonna keep an eye on that. But yeah, he skipped right over the gap tooth phase, I guess. Maybe we'll see with the tops.
Shanna
Yeah, maybe he'll get some little gaps on top. That is really cute. Yay, first two. Such a milestone and you didn't have to do any weird tooth wiggle yanking because I know you don't like that. I do not. Yeah, but what did what did you guys do? Did the tooth fairy come that night or what happened?
Laura
Yes. So the Tooth Fairy came. It's so funny because I want to say like three or four years ago, my mom got a little shopping happy on a customizable goods website. She was ordering a hooded towel for both boys so that they could have them for swim class and they have their names on like the hoods of the towels. And then when I got the package, they also had these little monsters in with them. And I was like, what is this? And they had their names on them and she's like, oh, that's for the tooth fairy. So when they lose their tooth, there's a little pouch and you put it in and then the tooth fairy comes for that. And I remember being like, they're one in three. This seems excessive. But by some miracle, we have not lost those. Like, I do not know how. When his tooth started getting wiggly, I found them deep in a drawer and brought them out. We have Sebastian's as well.
And so, yeah, so we loaded up the tooth in the little pocket. It goes into the little monster's mouth. I'll show you. Obviously, we can't post pictures because it has real names plastered all over it, but maybe you can describe it. Yeah, I wanna see. That's the other thing, whenever my mom gets them personalized stuff, I'm like, cool, but now I have to be extra careful what I post to the Instagram and stuff.
Shanna
You're like, mom, can you get a second one that says Augie and another one that says Sebastian? Seriously? All right. Let's see. Oh, here's a picture of him putting the tooth into the little monster. Oh, I see. The pocket is the monster's mouth, which makes sense. I love it. That is so cool and so cute. Was he excited to do this?
Laura
Very, very excited. And so and he was like how much do you think they're gonna leave me how much do you think the tooth fairy is gonna leave me. I was like I don't know and in my mind I'm like I don't know I gotta start texting people are looking at tooth fairy index or whatever. Right and he's like I think five hundred dollars five hundred. You have no concept of how much things cost. I was like, that's not gonna happen. And then I was like, well, maybe $5. And the minute I said that, I was like, ooh, is that too much? I'm like, oh, shit. I just totally set an expectation without realizing it. So here's what I did. I actually remembered that I had a bunch of shrinky dink plastic in my craft closet. So after we went to bed, I decided I was gonna make, I like, Augie's first tooth little key chain thing with a cute little cartoon tooth on it.
And I thought ahead and I made like six for each kid while I was at it. So I did that so that you have some little, I called it like a token, the tooth fairy token. And we happen to have five bucks. So we put the five bucks in, but we also put a note from the tooth fairy that we printed out in like a fantastical elven font that basically said that there's a first tooth bonus. So I'm hoping to like reduce the amount for the next tooth because I feel like the problem is that his friends all get $2. And I don't want him to be the one who's like, well, the tooth fairy gave me five, you know? Oh. Because I texted a bunch of his friends' parents being like, what do you guys do? Because I didn't want to be like the jerk who sets the tooth fairy index too high. So.
Shanna
Yeah, true. Yeah.
Laura
Yeah.
Shanna
Well, that sounds perfect. I love that. Did he like the token?
Laura
Oh, you know what? He thought it was cool, but I don't think he loved it as much as I was hoping he would. He definitely loved the money. He immediately put it in his piggy bank and was like, this is mine. He was like, Sebastian, this is my money, not yours. You have to lose a tooth to get this money. Oh, my gosh.
Shanna
Oh, right.
Laura
But yeah, it was fun. And I cannot believe how teeny tiny that freaking tooth is. It is so
Like a grain of rice, if you will.
Indeed. But that was basically it for this week. That was definitely the most momentous thing that happened. And I think we should move on to our special segment. What do you think?
Shanna
Let's do it.
Laura
We are back, and our special segment this week is Throwback, where Shanna and I tell stories from our past that may inform our parenting today. And Shanna, this week, you're gonna tell a story. I will follow you up in episode 370, but for now in this 369th episode, you have a throwback for us.
Shanna
Oh, you know I do.
Laura
Is it from the summer of 69?
Shanna
Yes, when I was but a mere egglet in my mom's ovaries.
Laura
Do your kids ask you where they were, like when you were a baby and stuff? Because Sebastian asks me nearly every day. He's like, mama, where was I when you were a baby?
Shanna
Oh, do you tell him that half of him existed in an egg in your ovary?
Laura
Yes, I say you were an egg waiting to be developed inside of my ovary. And the reason he probably asks it is that my mom likes to take a lot of credit for his existence because she always likes to tell him, did you know that the egg that formed you was actually inside of me when your mommy was in my uterus? And it actually drives Corey crazy because he's always like, yeah, she takes too much credit.
Shanna
Yeah. Like, what am I? Chopped liver? Come on.
Laura
But yeah. So like, whenever we look at old pictures and stuff, too, we'd be like, what was I? Was I an egg? And I was like, yeah, you were an egg in this picture. You were in there somewhere.
That's amazing. I know. So yes, no, maybe not from the summer of 69, but tell us your story.
Shanna
No, no, this is more like summer of 2001, which doesn't have quite the catchy ring as summer of 69, but it is what it is.
Laura
Britney Spears and the Snake, I remember that. Oh, was that big in 01? If I recall, my memory is a little hazy of that time.
Shanna
for me what was big then was like black tight going out pants and like little halter tops and like chunky heel you know that kind of thing that was like what I was rocking at that time I was in college and I had recently had a slew of jobs that included waitress at a Mexican food restaurant, cocktail waitress at a bar restaurant that turned into a night club at night, these kinds of things. And I liked them. They were very fun. But there was something in me that was like, I want to get myself a day job, a respectable college day job. And that's what I did. I took to the advertisements in the newspaper because that's how they worked back then, because that's how old I am.
And I found a listing for a nonprofit organization in Phoenix called the Arthritis Foundation. They needed an administrative assistant and I'm like, sign me up. I am great at typing. So I went in for my interview. I nailed it and I got the job.
Laura
I yearned for a time when the only requirement for a job was that you knew how to type, you know?
Shanna
Yes. Oh, truly. I thought the world was my oyster because I could type like 79 words a minute and I thought I was going to take over the world with that skill, right?
Laura
It was a great skill. I mean, that was very impressive back in the early aughts.
Shanna
It totally was. So I got this college job and I was especially excited because it was pretty close to where my mom worked her office job. So we were two little Phoenix office go-getters. And I loved it. I loved it. I was working for a nonprofit that did great work to support people with different forms of arthritis from children to adults. We created programs to You know, that they could go and exercise, learn about the condition. We had a whole department that like did a marathon training like, you know, as a fundraiser. It was just a very cool organization. And the people I worked with were really cool too. There was Sherry, the receptionist up front. She was my direct manager. She was this like no-nonsense 40-year-old woman that would bring beers to work on Fridays, put it in her little mini fridge and crack them open at 2 p.m. even if she was the only one drinking.
Laura
Wow. I feel like HR would have a thing or two to say about that.
Shanna
Yeah, no, no, I don't even think we had an HR now that I think about it. My two personal co-workers, back in my quote unquote office, which was really just the copy room off the side of, you know, the office, were Rita and Shirley. Rita and Shirley were like 85 year old volunteers that would come in a few times a week. Rita was this woman from Long Island who was like, I survive on cigarettes and coffee and I believe her. You believed her when she said it. And then Shirley was the sweetest little grandma with white puffy cotton ball hair. And she loved me, loved me. And I loved these ladies. And I made instant friends with the 20-something year olds that ran the marathon program. I really felt like this was an instant family. There was Valerie, the program director who everyone knew was obsessed with her two Lhasa Opsos.
There was Brad, the VP who was known for farting in his office and then like spraying Lysol, air freshener everywhere. Like it was a very down-to-earth kind of rag tag group of people. And I loved it. I loved going in every day. But then there was Kathy.
Laura
Kathy, oh man, the way you're saying her name makes me think that she might be the villain in this story.
Shanna
Kathy was the CEO, the queen of the ragamuffins here at the Arthritis Foundation. While we were all kind of drinking beers at 2pm and smoking cigarettes and living on coffee and me going out to bars at night, like Kathy was clearly the Scottsdale elite that shopped at artsy boutiques to buy flowing colorful expensive clothes and big chunky jewelry and she had short red hair that was dyed red and it was fabulous and her lipstick was red and her nails were long and red and she was fabulous but also quietly fierce. Like I feel like there's got to be a character like this in film somewhere that I've seen before but I can't put my finger on it.
Laura
She's the Scottsdale, Arizona version of Anna Wintour sounds like or Miranda Priestley, if you will.
Shanna
Yes. Yes. Exactly. And she took great pride in running this organization and being the matriarch of the group. So that's the environment I'm working in. And remember, I had come from the restaurant nightclub environment. I had come from being a very wishy-washy college kid. I'd changed my major a million times. I felt like I just wanted to be an artsy person. But here I am in this office job and trying to fit in. And that seemed fine for everyone that I worked with there, but there was something about Kathy. Like, I just felt like Kathy didn't have the same vibe. I was scared of Kathy. I was intimidated by her. And one of the reasons is that I got this feeling that I rubbed her the wrong way, but I didn't know why. In hindsight, I'm like, well, maybe I didn't come across as taking the job as seriously as I thought I was.
Like I said, I had just come from working in bars and restaurants, and I was kind of new to this office culture. I was young. When we had had a team building exercise one day, she had asked everyone, what do you need to make your job the best it could be? And my supervisor was like a new copy machine. And the program manager was like $30,000 to implement these programs. And when it got to me, I was like, freedom. And everyone looked at me like, What? In my mind, I'm like, you know, I'm an independent person. I like to just have the freedom to create posters the way I wanted to because that's one thing I did for the company. I designed little posters for our programs. I mean, I don't know what I was thinking, but I was stuck in this young mindset. I think they all laughed their asses off at me and were like, Sherry, watch out for this one.
I don't think I came across as being the most serious employee. Another example is when we had our big company fundraising event. It was a gala at a resort in downtown Phoenix and everyone had paid big money to come get tables at this thing. and they're trying to come help out with this. You know, you got a dress nice, et cetera. I, for the dress up occasion, went to the mall and bought a very tight, short, red dress that was a halter top from Wet Seal.
And wore this to the fundraising event. Everyone else is in pantsuits and stuff like that. And I'm like, hey, everybody. And Sherry's like, oh boy, the hot tamales here. So I don't know that I was making the best impression on Kathy.
Laura
This is reminding me of something I've seen on TikTok recently, which there's a bunch of these Gen Z kids going out to get jobs for the first time. And they're getting fired for wearing inappropriate stuff to work. And they'll post a TikTok and be like, I can't believe I got fired for wearing this. And you'll look at it and be like, oh my Lord, of course you did short asker or a see-through top or weird stuff.
And it's so easy now that we're old people who have been completely broken by corporate America to forget what it's like to be young and have no concept of what business casual means.
Shanna
Exactly, especially when you haven't worked in that environment before. And when it is Phoenix and it's like 115 degrees outside and you're getting ready for work in the morning, you being me. This is actually a continuation of my story because you led me perfectly into this. I woke up one morning. It was a very hot outside. I put on my outfit and I went to my office job at the Arthritis Foundation. Now, remember I said I worked in the copy room, which was off to the side. I did not interact with the public. Nobody saw me. I was back there with Rita and Shirley stuffing envelopes. But on this particular day, I was doing my thing back there hanging out with my ladies and Sherry, my coordinator, came up to me very serious and she said, Shanna, I need to talk to you. And I'm like, oh, and like Rita and Shirley look at me like, oh, uh-oh.
And Sherry takes me aside and she says, Kathy has some feedback. And I was like, oh boy, here we go. Am I not making my posters perfect enough? Am I not copy editing them well? Am I not stuffing envelopes right? Sherri says, no, no, it's that. And she looked down at my body and I'm like, what? And she's like, those shorts. And I was like, what? She's like, Kathy says that you are never to wear those shorts or any shorts in the office ever again. It is totally inappropriate and she doesn't want to talk to you about it. And she's making me talk to you about it. And I look down And remember that I put on shorts because it was a hot fucking day in Phoenix and I work in a copy room. And these shorts, I am not probably like these TikTok girls, you know, like they are not like a booty shorts. This was 2000.
God, they're probably like cargo shorts, you know, with lots of pockets and probably fell like mid-thigh. But I don't know. It just did not occur to me that it might be inappropriate to wear shorts in Kathy's office. I was so ashamed. I was like dying. I'm like, oh my God, do I, I should go and change? I can't like wear these the rest of the day. And Sherry's like, it's okay, it's okay. Just don't wear anything like that ever again. I was like, oh my God, no, okay, okay. And I'm like worried that I'm gonna lose my job because of these shorts on this 115 degree day. Lunchtime comes around and my mom worked in an office very near where I was working. And I called her. I'm like, do you want to meet up for lunch? And she's like, yeah. So we met up at this Greek restaurant. I was telling her about the incident. I'm like, oh my God, I'm so mortified. I don't want to do.
I don't want to go back wearing these stupid shorts. But I live so far from the office. And maybe I'll just quit. I don't want to go back. And my mom was like, Shanna, it's OK. Do you want to switch pants? with me. And I was like, what? She's like, look, she had on like a nice flowy, long pants, like elastic waist, kind of, you know, just comfortable, long, professional looking pants. She's like, do you want to wear these back to the office? And I'm like, and give you my shorts to wear back to your office?
And she's like, yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah, I want to do that. So before lunch ended, we went to the bathroom. We each took off our respective bottoms. I put on my mom's pants, which were very long on me because my mom is a lot taller than I am. I'm like five, three. My mom's like, I don't know, five, nine or something. She's a lot taller than me. So my shorts, which I think were fine on me, looked real short on my mom.
Laura
You're sending your mom back to work in booty shorts.
Shanna
I just remember how short they looked on her and the sacrifice she was making going back to her office in those shorts to make me feel better going back to my office in my pants so I could save face. I was like, thank you, mom. I love you. I'm giving her the biggest hug, just like, oh my gosh. Stupid shit I get myself into because I don't think, you know, a few steps ahead. And then I've got my mom saving my ass again with some silly problem, but like not shaming me about it. You know what I mean? She wasn't like, Shanna, of course, you don't wear shorts to an office. You know, it was nothing like that. It was just like, I have a solution. Let me help you out. My my love. Oh God, I love my mom. She saved the day.
Laura
It's so funny because, you know, that phrase like he would give you his shirt. off of his own back. It's like, no, no, no, my mom would literally give me her skirt off her own butt. My mom would give me the culottes.
Off her legs.
Shanna
Oh my God, yes. So I went back to the office with a change of outfit and Sherry noticed and was like, I did the right thing. Look at me, professional office lady, and you know.
Laura
As she cracks a beer.
Shanna
Yeah, exactly. That was some good management today.
Ah, exactly. I go back to the copy room and Rita, the Long Island volunteer, looks at me. She's like, nice pants. I'm like, yeah, thanks. She's like, eh, Kathy's just jealous because he got better legs than she does. I was like, oh my God, Rita, I love you so much.
Oh my God. So mom saved the day. I did get to keep my office job. I didn't get fired for rubbing Kathy the wrong way. I think I learned a great lesson that day about office culture.
Laura
Well, see, you didn't have TikTok to teach you how to dress appropriately for the office.
Shanna
Exactly. How is a person supposed to know when they are alive and office working in the year 2000? How is I to know?
Laura
Also, I'm kind of pissed at Kathy because it's kind of low to make your supervisor have to go be the one who tells you. I understand that's delegation and blah, blah, blah, but it's like, if you have a problem with someone's dress at work and you're the CEO, shouldn't you take ownership of that and be the one to tell them? I don't know. I think that's kind of shitty.
Shanna
I felt that way too at the time. You know, I was very young. I didn't know exactly how and why I thought it was shitty, but I definitely had the sense like, oh, she's having someone else do her dirty work while she like reigns supreme in her office, you know, with her chunky turquoise earrings and her flowy pants. It just, it felt weird to me. And I didn't love that, but I did love Sherry because she was so fucking cool. She was just like totally understood, did not judge me for that at all.
Laura
I have a feeling Kathy didn't want her to say, oh, I'm telling you this because Kathy doesn't like it.
Probably.
Shanna
Now that you mention it, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was probably supposed to be on the down low. Oops. But thinking about how it might influence my parenting now, I think about how often young people, myself included, obviously, learn by just stumbling through life, you know, and learning as you go. And part of that is being shamed along the way, you know, like I was shamed by Kathy. So as a parent, not adding shame. onto it, not layering it on, is just such a gift. And in retrospect, I'm so glad that my mom never did that to me. You know, she never made me feel bad about going to the office in shorts or whatever. Never was like, oh, I don't know if I should switch pants with you. It was her idea. Like she gave it to me.
And maybe I want to allow my kids to make mistakes or if I see them about to make a stumble, find a kind way to address it instead of calling it out and making them feel bad. Like the other day, Elle wanted to wear an outfit that she had already worn like five days earlier. She loves it. It's a new outfit. And I noticed she had like a little stain on her shirt, like a little, I don't know, spaghetti sauce or something from when she had worn it last. And instead of being like, oh, you shouldn't wear that. You have a stain. Like, what do you do? You can't wear dirty clothes. I knew how much this outfit meant to her and stuff. And it was like, oh, hey, like maybe do you want me to wipe that off? Are you for her? You know, I don't know.
Just I feel like my mom's lesson has helped me find like kind maybe face saving type of ways to help my children instead of like adding on to whatever awkwardness already exists because you're a kid learning how to live.
Laura
Yeah, I feel like the moments I had the most shame and bewilderment growing up were those moments where it was assumed I should have known something but no one ever taught it to me and I was learning it the hard way, basically. Like what you're talking about with Elle wearing the same clothes twice in a row. I have this clear as freaking day memory of Amy in my sixth grade class seeing me in an outfit on like a Thursday and saying, didn't you wear that on Monday and like laughing? And I was like, yeah. Cause I'm like, yeah, it's a piece of clothing I own and we probably washed it in between. I don't know. And she's like, you're not supposed to repeat outfits in the same week. And I remember just being like, like I'm that meme with like the calculator in front of my face being like, you what?
Like no one had told me and I realized I had like made this social stumble that people were literally laughing at me for. And I was like, I had no clue. Nobody prepared me for this. And, you know, I think to an extent, the cargo shorts are the same thing, right? Like it wasn't like you were dressing like a hoe, you know, at work.
Yeah.
Laura
But you, you know, you just didn't know that the business casual environment was not kind to those wearing cargo pants. Like now you obviously are cargo shorts. Like obviously now you would know better. But, but yeah, you didn't know. And instead of being told like, oh, hey, in the future, like, You know, your supervisor or Kathy could have come up to you and been like, hey, like you're fine today, but I just wanted to show you like our dress code, like what's expected. That's kind of a little bit too casual for us. Like no big deal. No one ever sees you anyway, but like just next time just leave those at home. You wouldn't mind if felt a little bit of shame, but you wouldn't have had to like run to your mom, been so upset and then so upset that your mom like literally stripped down for you.
Shanna
Yes, yes, we can educate the young people with kindness. I think that's the thing is it didn't feel like Kathy's criticism of me was that it was too casual. It was almost like the message I was getting is that I was being too sexy or something, like I was showing my legs and that was inappropriate. It felt like a comment on my body and an assumption that I was trying to show off my skin or something. It was very odd. Did the men get to wear cargo shorts? Probably. Probably. I don't know. I mean, the men were allowed to fart in their office and freaking lice all it up.
Laura
So funny. I will say I'm a little jealous of the story because I don't have any daughters. And I'm like, I really don't think there's a future where I'm going to be in the same clothing size as my sons and be able to save them by swapping outfits.
Shanna
That's why you're just always going to carry a suitcase of appropriately sized boy and young man clothes with you everywhere you go.
Laura
Just be lurking outside of their first job. You're like, I've got alternate outfits if you need them.
Shanna
Oh, my God. Mom, go away. Oh, man. So yes, shout out to my mom. She's the best. Love you, mom. Love you, Shanna's mom. But that's my story. Shall we move on to our BFPs and BFNs? Yes, we should.
We are back and we wrap up every episode with our Big Fat positives or Big Fat negatives of the week. Laura, you're up first. What you got for us? I have a BFP.
Laura
All right. What is it? Okay. So my BFP is that this weekend we went to a movie with basically everyone in Sebastian's preschool class. What?
Shanna
Oh, how fun and maybe so loud. I feel like a lot of little voices.
Laura
A lot of little voices. Okay, so it was designed for this situation because it was actually an incanto sing-along. Oh, fun. So fun. It was held at Vidiot's, which is this really cool Don Prophet indie movie theater and DVD rental place. in Eagle Rock. And it's right down the street from his school. And it wasn't like a school sponsored event or something. One of the parents just posted in the WhatsApp being like, oh, we're going to take our kid along to this. Do you guys want to come? And we jumped on. We're like, yeah, that sounds fun. Because I was looking for something to do with the kids that day. And another family jumped on. And by the end, I think it was almost the entire class was there. There was at least 20 families that were making up this group. And I did feel kind of bad for everyone else in the movie theater because there were definitely some adults there without kids.
And I don't know what the, you know, Corey was like, I wouldn't feel too bad. They came to an incanto sing along at like two o'clock on a Saturday. You know, what did they expect? But like, I just remember at some point During the movie, all the kids like went to go dance and sing in like the big open area in front of the front row of seats. Amazing. And so since all these kids are tiny, you know, we're talking like two to four year olds, the front, you know, all the parents had to like sit on the floor to make sure they were okay and not wreaking havoc. And there was definitely like two, I'd say 20 something like in Kanto fans who were there just sort of like, oh my God, what did we just sign up for? But it was super sweet, super cute, it was so fun to go and be in a movie theater with all these little kids that you know and their families.
And then as the movie was about to begin, one of the people who work at the video came out and was like introducing the movie. And, you know, that's the thing that happens in LA a lot. I don't know if it happens elsewhere, but like back in the old arc light days, you know, there would always be someone who introduced the movie and it happens in all these little screenings, right? So she's introducing the movie and then she's like, and we have Stephanie Beatrice here for you today. And she's like, or should I call her Mirabelle? And like we look over and Stephanie Beatrice, the actress who plays Mirabelle in the movie in Kanto, is running down the aisle in full and Kanto outfit, like in the one she wore, I think for the Hollywood Bowl performance.
And she just like bounced down the aisle and she's like, oh, she's like, hi, guys, I'm so excited to be here and introduce you to my familia magical. And she's like, and we're just like, what? Like, what are we even witnessing? I'm looking at my kids. I'm like, do you guys understand? That's the real Mirabelle right there. They're like, but she's human. That one's cartoon. Well, you know what's funny is that we've watched the Live at the Hollywood Bowl one. Have you watched that? No, I didn't even know it existed. It's on Disney Plus. It's so good. It's so good. We've watched it more than the regular in Kanto. They do like a whole in Kanto live thing. And they're like, we don't talk about Bruno. They have these like huge puppets and stuff. It's great. Oh, fun. So we've probably watched that more than regular in Kanto, so they recognized her from that.
But yeah, it was just like so surreal. And I was like, oh yeah, so this is why you live in LA. Like this kind of random shit that happens, you're like at a 2 p.m. screening of in Kanto for a bunch of preschoolers and then like literally the star of the movie's there just to say hi. What is this world?
Shanna
I know. Did you get any pictures with her or get her autograph or anything?
Laura
No, she took off right after. I think she was like, I'm going to be mobbed. But she gave a cute little intro here. I took a little video.
Shanna
OK, let's see. Oh my gosh, there she is. Love that outfit. Huge fan of hers. And Kanto is one of my favorite Disney movies. And also, she kills it in Brooklyn Nine-Nine, so. Yeah. Well, that sounds really fun. And next time they have something like that, let me know. I want to go too.
Laura
Yes, for sure. They do a bunch of kid screenings and they do all kinds of interesting, like, old movies. So, like, I'm looking up right now. Their website is vidiotsfoundation.org. That's like idiots with a V in front of it. They've got the Iron Giant coming up, Gremlins 2 on 35 millimeter. Nice. Yeah. Oh, the sword and the stone. And then, you know, a bunch of stuff for adults to kung fu hustle. Oh, it looks like Tangled's coming up. And it's a nonprofit to help support cinema, I guess. So, you know, it feels good to go see a movie there.
Shanna
Yeah. What a fun event.
Laura
Yeah. So that was my BFP. What do you got for us? BFP or BFN? I have a BFP. Okay. What is it?
Shanna
It starts off with a BFN and a milestone that we have yet to reach in our life as a family.
Laura
Okay. I'm curious to hear because I feel like you've been through some big milestones as a family already.
Shanna
Yeah, yeah. While I was working in my office the other day, the girls were watching TV, Cici comes in and says, mama. And I'm like, what? She goes, I got gum in my hair. No.
She's really been into gum lately because she's learning to blow bubbles. So she choose lots of pieces like she'll get like a bubble tape, you know, and take like, I don't know, four of the six feet and do what it wants. I exaggerate. But that's what it seems like. So she's got a huge wad of gum stuck in her long hair. It's just like entrenched in there. And I was like, oh. I don't think I've dealt with this yet, which is a surprise because I've got two girls with really long hair who like to chew gum.
Laura
Yeah, it's amazing you've lasted this long.
Shanna
I know, right? She's like, are you going to have to cut it? And I'm like, oh, maybe. I don't know. Let me see. And so I take a look at it. It just is not something I'm going to pick out very easily. And so I'm starting to think, OK, what are the things that you do to get gum out of hair? And Elle was like, I've heard that peanut butter works. And I'm like, yeah, I think I've heard that too. But I feel like maybe that makes a worse problem than you started with, because then you got oily peanut butter. So I'm like, there's got to be a better way. There's got to be something better than this. Let me take to the old internet. Well, Laura, I am here to report that thanks to Reddit, I have discovered the best way to get gum out of hair. And I'm like,
I'm so excited about this hack and I want everyone to know it or maybe everyone already does know it and I'm behind the times I don't know it because I only know I like I've heard of all the different theories like.
Laura
You know the peanut butter is one of them and I can kind of think like I've heard maybe freeze it but like how do you even do that. There's a lot of things that sound dubious to me, but I do trust the crowdsourcing magic that you get on Reddit. So I would love to hear what you learned because, you know, I always remember your tricks for getting out of these sticky situations. Like when was it Cece who drew all over her face and Sharpie? L. L, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just remember, I just remember Sharpie on the face and you were like, I got to try everything and you found something that worked. So was it rubbing alcohol? Is that what finally worked for you? Or no, it was the... Oh, lava soap. Yeah, lava soap. So anyway, so tell me, okay, what did Reddit tell you to do?
Shanna
Okay. Well, I was with you. I was like, okay, I've heard peanut butter, freezing it, putting ice on it, putting oil on it. And these things all came up at first when I googled, get gum out of hair. Like I had to keep scrolling. I'm like, no, there's got to be a better way. So I finally come across the subreddit called Lifehacks and someone, some kind person in the world was just like, I'm posting this so you just all have this information. And I was like, thank you. And it was a TikTok from a user named ma brows and hair. And she said, here's the best thing you need to know about getting gum out of your hair. She unwraps the gum. She chews it. She's like, it's really a lot easier than you would think. She chews it. She takes the gum, sticks it in her hair. And I'm like, what are you doing? Oh, don't do that. And then she goes, all you need is mousse. And I'm like, mousse.
So she takes one of those hair mousse, those type of things that we used to use back in the day. She goes, it's easy. So she gets the gum all in her hair. She goes, pshh, sticks it in. And she goes, pshh. And puts a big dollop of it on her hand, rubs it into the gum, and the gum disintegrated and came right out. And I was like, that is what I'm talking about, people. This is what I need. I do not have mousse.
Laura
Yeah, I was going to say, where's your mousse?
Shanna
That is the obstacle. But then I remembered grandma, AKA Steve's mom. had lived with us a while, and there were some items of hers in our second bathroom. And I'm like, I think I vaguely remember a huge bottle of mousse. I'm like, please, please, please, please, please, please. I go in, I look under the sink. Ta-da! There's like a trissime mousse that hasn't been used in like five years. I don't even know why I have it. Well, I have it for this moment, clearly. I'm like, Cece, come here, come here. I I put a big dollop on my hand. I'm like, okay, we're gonna try this. I'm like putting it all over the gum and it just melted. It melted right out of her hair. Zero residue, no oil. I put the mousse in the trash, washed my hands and we were done within like one minute.
Laura
And her hair had so much volume after.
Shanna
She was like a Farrah Fawcett ad feathered hair blowing in the wind. Yes, exactly.
Laura
Okay. This is right up there with a mother's kiss where you like how to get stuff shoved up the nose out of a kid because this is going to be something I guarantee people are going to be writing in and telling us how they use this. So.
Shanna
I hope it helps. I really hope it helps. I know the obstacle is not having mousse on hand. So I'm just here to say, if you think that your kid might ever get gum in their hair, just go buy a travel-sized mousse. If they make those, stick it under the sink and have it on hand. I think that it's like your first aid kit. Just have it in your first aid kit, right? Exactly. You never know when you need some emergency mousse.
Oh my gosh. So yes, that is my BFP special hack that I could not hold on to until we did our hack segment again. But yeah, that's it for me. And I think that might be it for our show. Yes, it certainly is. And speaking of Reddit and sharing good advice on the internet, people love getting good advice online. So if you ever find yourself with the opportunity to spread some wisdom that we've shared, Please share on Reddit forms, Facebook threads, Instagram, anywhere that you go on social media. If people are looking for good advice and you want to point them our way, that would be so helpful for our show. To spread the word that Laura and I help people.
Laura
We exist. Basically, go on Reddit, tell people we exist. Honestly, it's one of the best ways for people to find us and we would be so grateful.
Shanna
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Laura
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Shanna
Our show is produced by Laura Birek, Shona Maiko, and Steve Yager. Thanks for listening everyone. Have a Big Fat Positive week. Bye! Bye!

