Fascinating Facts: Period Products and Old Playgrounds – Ep. 268

Laura

Welcome to Big Fat Positive with Sean and Laura. On this week's episode, we have our weekly check-ins. We have our special segment. Today I learned where we tell you some new information we learned about playgrounds, periods, and more. And we close with our BFPs and BFNs for the week. Let's get started.

Shanna

I'm here. Hello, hello.

Laura

Hello, hello. Ahoy, ahoy. Shall we get right to it?

Shanna

Oh, I think we should. Let's dive right in.

Laura

What's been going on with you guys this week?

Shanna

Well, this has been a great week, I'd say.

Laura

Wow, OK. Good. Good. I like it. Yeah. This is starting off strong.

Shanna

Oh, yeah. I was motivated by our camomode conversation, really thinking like, oh, wow, I really have kind of abandoned a bunch of parts of myself on the other side of the desert way back there. And I think it might feel good if I try to reclaim at least one of them. And so this week, I have been trying to walk and hike more in the mornings before work starts. Like after I drop off the kids before it gets too hot, as you know, I can walk around my neighborhood and like walk up the hill and get to like the hills and the mountains and the hike from my house. So I kind of can combine a neighborhood walk and a nature walk all in one. And doing that several times a week, it's just like a game changer for me. Like it brings me tons of energy. I love being outside.

Laura

I recently saw a TikTok that was like five things to do to improve your mood or whatever. And I don't remember all five, but I do remember that like two of them were walking and then touching something natural, like touching something in nature, like literally just like putting your hand on a plant. They called it grounding, but I don't know. It was supposedly based in neuroscience, but it sounds like you're doing two of the things. Maybe you're doing all five. I would know if I could retain that kind of information, but That sounds awesome.

Shanna

Yeah, as I was walking home one day, I walked by a neighbor's house and she has beautiful roses out front. And I'm just like, you know, I've got peppa my stuff, like everything's coming up, Shanna. And I like stop and I smell this rose and it smells so good. And I look up and the little lady who lives there is sitting on the bench. in front of her house and she totally saw me do that. Like I touched her flower, her nature, you know, so I got grounded by that. But also like she totally smiled and I smiled and waved and it was just like a cute little connection. I was like a little bit embarrassed that like she saw me smelling her roses, but also I was just like, hi. And it was really cute.

Laura

I mean, isn't that what they're for? Aren't you supposed to stop and smell the roses? That's what they say.

Shanna

And it was right by the sidewalk. It's not like I crept up towards her doorway and smelled a rose.

Laura

They were actually climbing roses all up her wall, so you had to like scale the trellis to smell them.

Shanna

I was up on the roof sniffing her roses.

Laura

Wow. That is initiative right there.

Shanna

I know. He's so sweet. He's such a good gift giver. Also, that really puts the pressure on me to get him something for his birthday. So I'm a little grumpy about that.

Laura

I don't feel like that's fair, right? Like, I mean, obviously, I think it's great that he gave you this gift, but I think part of the gift should be absolving you of having to like try to match it because there's no matching a trip to Hawaii. No, no, not at all.

Shanna

We'll figure that out when the time comes.

Laura

So, okay, so, which island are you going to? We're going to Oahu. Beautiful, beautiful. Have you been there? I don't remember if we've ever talked about Hawaii before.

Shanna

Yeah, I went there once when my brother lived there. Long time ago, Steve and I went over and visited and we stayed in my brother's apartment, which is like right on the coast. It was beautiful. We had a great time there. But this time we get to stay at a resort. I'm so excited. We're going to have pools and food and like, oh yeah, I'm just, this is so needed. Like it's very, very difficult for me to justifies spending money on stuff like this, you know, because it's like, there's so much to spend money on when you're parents and totally kids and everything. It's like, I couldn't be doing all this other stuff. But it's like, look, we survived this damn pandemic not going literally anywhere, you know, like we have not taken a full family vacation yet, really, except just like a little, you know, one hour or two hour drive out of town and. I'm just like, you know, I think it's OK.

Laura

You do. And you've been budgeting, remember? Like, oh, that's right. This has got to be in the budget, right?

Shanna

Yes. Yes. I've set aside money for vacations. So yeah, that helps me feel better about it.

Laura

I do feel like I'm on one hand jealous of Steve's initiative to just book it. And on the other hand, I don't know if I'd be able to let go because I am such a freaking micromanager when it comes to stuff like this. I would be like, so what kind of sweet did you book? What's the resort like? I think I would be such a pain in the ass about it. But that's me.

Shanna

Here's why I am totally on board with this and totally fine with it. The amount of nitpicking I did to find a frickin' hotel in Redondo Beach, like when we were gonna stay there, it was a complete time waster. I mean, I had like 30 tabs up of all of these hotels and like analyzing the pools and the rooms and I'm like, I just couldn't. It was decision paralysis. It was so overwhelming at a certain point. I was like, I don't even care. Just pick something. So I am so grateful that I don't have to do any of that for this trip. And honestly, I don't care. We're going to Hawaii. We're going to have beaches. Whatever it is, it's going to be totally fine with me.

Laura

Truly, it does not matter. Yeah, it's so great. Oh, I'm so jealous. I want to go to Hawaii with you guys.

Shanna

I know I want you to come to, come on, Laura, second week of August.

Laura

We do not have a vacation budget set aside. People may have figured this out by now, but there is a writer's strike going on. And it's been going on for like, I don't know. I think it's like we're at like 10 weeks, 11 weeks or something, almost three months. It'll be three months soon. So this does not lend itself. to a Hawaiian vacation, unfortunately. I'm sorry, friend. But sometime soon, sometime. Yes. We will have to make that a five-year plan for us to get our families on a trip to Hawaii together, because that would be so fun.

Shanna

So fun. Oh my gosh. I am very nervous about doing such a big plane ride with my kids, but I'm just trying to have low expectations. Expect that there will be ups and downs and bumps along the way. And yeah, I don't know. I'm just trying to keep very realistic expectations about everything.

Laura

They'll be fine. They like screens. They'll think it's really interesting because has Elle been on a plane?

Shanna

Yeah, she's been on a plane a few times. This is Cece's first time. She says, I'm a bit nervous. That's what she keeps saying. I'm a bit nervous. And yesterday she told me she doesn't want to fall out of the plane. Well, same girl, same. Yeah.

Laura

Well, this week was Augie's last week at his preschool.

Shanna

Oh, the parents are supposed to go to the zoo with them? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Laura

It was a parent chaperone zoo trip. Yeah. Yeah. So all the parents were there and, you know, it ended up being very cute and fun. And then they had like a little, graduation certificate ceremony, not like the full shebang with, you know, caps and gowns, but they just called each kid up one at a time. We were actually in front of the chimpanzee enclosure doing this. Like chimps behind us watching us do this wondering what the hell we were doing. Yeah. They were probably like, kids these days graduating from preschool. In my day, it was high school and nothing.

Shanna

Big ambitions there.

Laura

Yeah. And then Augie gets called and it's like, okay, Augie, he wants to be a firefighter when he grows up. And Augie immediately goes, no, I don't. And he went up and got his certificate. But he's like, that's not what I said. This is wrong. And I was like, shh honey, they're still doing the ceremony. But then he kept showing me the certificate. And he's like, what does that say? And I was like, it says, well, Augie's graduating from the preschool, blah, blah, blah. He wants to be a firefighter when he grows up. He's like, that's not what I said. I said, I want to be a police officer.

Shanna

Did you white it out and write in police officer instead to make him happy or what? I have not done that yet. Maybe I should. It's so funny, these kids wanting to be police officers and firefighters. Elle said the same thing to me the last couple of years. And it took me by surprise too. I was like, what? Where is this coming from? But I guess it's just really in the young kid zeitgeist, I guess, pre-school and early elementary school. Like those are the things they say.

Laura

Yeah. Because it's not like he has any particular interest in playing firefighter or playing police officer. This is what happened so yeah we got over that hump and moved on with our week and then the last day was actually Friday and on that day I actually managed to get a picture of him in front of our front door for like a last day of school photo and when I got home from dropping him off of course I was getting all nostalgic and looking at it and I decided to pull up his first day of school photo from two years prior and I was looking at it I was like. Huh. I took these from almost the exact same angle. I wonder if I could Photoshop them together. And I did, Shanna.

Shanna

Okay.

Laura

Would you like to see?

Shanna

Yes, of course. What? Okay. A, this looks incredibly realistic. B, that does not look like the same child. That looks like your two kids you have now standing next to each other. He's so little on the left-hand side.

Laura

So little. It was two years ago, remember? So like, yeah, it's two school years, but I put this up on Instagram and I had to put up like a correction five minutes later because everyone thought it was Augie and Sebastian standing next to each other like every single person. And I get it, they're exactly two years apart. So like it makes sense that you would think that. But yeah, no, it's really wild to look at once you realize what you're looking at too, I feel like, because it's just like, whoa, I totally lucked out. I didn't have to do anything fancy in Photoshop. I literally just masked in the older Augie. Like the angle was the same. Everything was just by sheer luck the same. So yeah, but it's just them standing. It's just a two and a half year old and a four and a half year old standing next to each other. And it's like, oh, my heart.

Shanna

Yeah, that really highlights the time difference. But you know what you've done? You've set yourself up for an ongoing project for the next 14 years of his life.

Laura

I know. And the problem with that is getting him to stand in the right spot and actually being able to remember what angle I took the photo at. I'm sure there's some apps that help you line it up. So if anyone wants to tell me like what app they use to do like photos that line up like that, because you know, like people will do transitions, right? Where they like need to have the photo in the same place. And so it'll like overlay. Anyway, someone tell me how to do that because yeah, clearly I've set myself up.

Shanna

Yeah. I definitely want to see his high school picture where it's just him standing next to like 14 other Augies.

Laura

Oh man and then quickly on the Sebastian front i just want to say that he came with us to the zoo so we got to like meet all of his teachers for next year and he's like absolutely obsessed i kept telling him like these are your teachers for next year and you know they've met him before at pickups and stuff so they were all like oh we're so excited. Get you in the class, Sebastian. And that night, he wanted to look at all the pictures of the teachers over and over. And he kept saying, teacher, teacher. And I was like, yeah, they're going to be your teacher. So I think he's really excited to go to this new school. I love it.

Shanna

That's great.

Laura

Yeah. So that was our week. And I do think it's time to move on to our special segment. What do you think? I think we should.

Shanna

We're back, and this week's special segment is Today I Learned, where we share any interesting or unusual things we've learned recently that may pertain to the world of parenting. Laura, you're up first, and I am dying to know what you've learned recently. Shanna, have you ever heard of the Fussy Baby Network? No, is that a channel I need to get on my cable subscription?

Laura

Yeah, it's just like 24 hour stream of fussy babies.

Shanna

My nightmare.

Laura

No, so I just learned about this through, I think, one of my Facebook mom groups and I had never heard of it. And I'm kind of sad I didn't know about it before partially because maybe I could have used it or you could have used it when our children were Tiny little babies, but also because I feel like it's cool resource our listeners need to know about so this is a service that comes out of something called the Erickson Institute, which is a Institute out of Chicago. It looks like they never heard of they say we're on a mission to educate inspire and promote leadership that supports children and their families in reaching their fullest potential that sounds nice. Yeah, yeah, seems like a noble cause. But they have this thing called the fussy baby network. And it's a hotline that you can call from anywhere for free.

Shanna

Oh my God. Oh, I could have used that when CeCe was having reflux, rejecting breastfeeding, having gas. I mean, I'm thinking of like a handful of reasons I would have used that back in the day.

Laura

Yeah, absolutely. And I think like half of the time you just need to talk to someone who gets that what you're going through is hard and you don't feel like you're complaining, right? Like there's this thing when you have a baby where you're supposed to be grateful for every moment, right? And like it's hard to call people who don't have babies. You know what I mean? Like it's a tricky thing to complain about what's going on with your babies. So to like have a sort of non-judgmental hotline of experts you can call amazing.

Shanna

Right. And it's nice to have someone that's not your pediatrician, right? Like I would have never called like my pediatrician because my baby was being fussy and I couldn't calm her down. Like I might bring it up at the next appointment or whatever, but I wouldn't like call for help on that issue. Do you know anyone who's used this and has experience with it?

Laura

I have not. I was trying to figure out if I could call and just talk to someone, but I didn't want to use up their time. I didn't want to be like, oh, I'm just doing this so I can have audio for the podcast. But maybe I should reach out and see if we can maybe talk to someone who works there and see what it's like, because I think it could be super interesting for people.

Shanna

Yeah, I think so. What's the number?

Laura

The number is 888-431-2229. Or you can go to erickson.edu. That's E-R-I-K-S-O-N.edu to find it. And they also, I think, let you send a message. So if you don't have the capacity to actually call, you can send a message too.

Shanna

That's so great. I love that.

Laura

So that was my first day I learned. Shanna, how about you? What have you learned recently?

Shanna

I've recently learned about the history of playgrounds. We know that playgrounds nowadays are like the cool, complex, very safety tested, all that stuff. Well, it wasn't always so. The guy who's credited with inventing the playground is a 19th century German educator named Friedrich Freibull. He lived from 1782 to 1852. And what I learned about Friedrich Freibull is that he had a really cool take on education. He really understood the value of adventurous outdoor activity. And he really thought that imaginative play was important in the development of young kids. And so he started developing like these outdoor spaces in Germany. They slowly started coming over to the United States, which didn't have that kind of like structured outdoor play yet. Around the 18th century, in big cities especially, children kind of just played in the streets, right?

Laura

OK. What in the hell is this? Okay, so you know what it looks like? It looks like that really famous picture of like when they're building the Empire State Building and there's all those guys just sitting on like a piece of like rebar or something like dangling. Miles above the city. Um, and but instead it's with a bunch of children just hanging out on some like randomly leaned structures like I have like metal poles and, uh, yeah. And it's interesting. I'll give it that.

Shanna

Yeah. A bunch of metal poles. It looks like tinker toy. construction of just like a bunch of sticks which I'm sure like metal poles but just kind of like no platforms really and it's really high up in the air like there's ladders that go way up and there's children just hanging everywhere from them so it looks extremely dangerous. But I'm sure it was very fun.

Laura

Oh yeah my boys would love to climb this shit but I wouldn't let them. Oh, yeah. To be fair, the 19th century wasn't well known for its protection of children. It wasn't like, wow, what a time to be a child in the world. It was like, oh, no, child labor. And I mean, that was going on. So just giving them a place to play probably seemed absolutely revolutionary.

Shanna

Yes, even if they didn't have rubberized bottoms underneath those big poles. All right, here are a few other photos of old time playgrounds that I found. Okay.

Laura

So we go to this park nearby, which Augie calls Big Slide Park because it has these really big slides. This looks like the OG Big Slide Park. That is like a two, three story high slide where the kids are like completely, like there's no sides to it. So they could just topple over the side, no problem. And then they're all just going down simultaneously. There's about 20 children on the ladder, which looks like a rickety ass ladder. Okay, that looks fun, but dangerous.

Shanna

So dangerous. It's supported by like one beam off the side. I'm just like, what? Okay, next one.

Laura

Okay, this is another one where there's like 20 kids on a ladder heading up to like, I don't know, probably like 15 feet up. And what I don't understand is this, there's like two wooden poles sticking out from the other side, like, you know, mirroring the ladder. Is that like one of those weird arm slides you go down?

Shanna

That's what I'm thinking. We have one of those at our playground now, a much shorter one, you know, an elbow sometimes go on it and just kind of, she doesn't even really know what to do on it either, honestly. But yeah, this is a triple size one of those.

Laura

And it looks like it's made out of wood and all I can think of are splinters. That's all I can think of.

Shanna

Arm pit splinters.

Laura

Okay, this last one you sent me, legit looks like a circus training camp without the net. Like, and is that a child mid fall in the middle? Oh, no, there's, it's a swing. There's a swing there. Okay. Phew.

Shanna

Oh, you're right. That is hard to tell. It looks like he's falling down with his arms and legs up in the air.

Laura

Like he's falling down, but it does, but the weird thing is that these swings are like six feet off the ground. So they have to like how these kids get into these swings. I mean, it looks like a trapeze training structure without a net.

Shanna

It does. Oh my gosh, and these kids just sitting up on poles, 20 feet up in the air. It's wild.

Laura

It is wild. And you wonder why life expectancy has gone up, you know?

Shanna

Yeah, I think so. You know, I didn't come across any stats on the injury rate of children back in the day or anything like that. So who knows? Who knows? But I just found it so fascinating looking at these old pictures and, you know, thinking about how we try so hard to keep them so safe on playgrounds now. I mean, I feel like I chased around Cece on a playground until she was almost four years old, like making sure she took every step carefully and these little slides and stuff and theirs left to their own devices back in the day.

Laura

Well, it makes me think of like the sort of stereotypical like back in my day, we used to have wooden slides. We'd get three inch splinters in our underarms. Did you see us complaining? Now my kids go down a slightly warm slide and they're like, hot, hot.

Shanna

Yeah, you can't like spin them too fast and the little merry go round because they're like, ah, dizzy. All right, what's your next Today I Learned?

Laura

Okay, so Today I Learned that they did not always test period products using blood. Companies, I guess, didn't always use actual blood to test period products. They used saline or water, which obviously is not as accurate, right? Because we all know that menstrual blood is not the same consistency as saline or water. But in addition to that, today I learned when they actually started testing period products with actual blood. Do you want to venture a guess as to when that started happening?

Shanna

1985?

Laura

No, it was this week, Shanna. It was this week.

Shanna

But they decided that- Well, listen, if someone wants me to donate and will pay me for my specimen, I will gladly partake.

Laura

I mean, you use a cup like you're basically doing it anyway, right? Exactly. Put it in a jar, send it off.

Shanna

Yeah.

Laura

But they decided to use a blood product which was packed red blood cells, which is blood after the plasma and platelets were removed. They decided that was closer. And during the process, they figured out that different products had different capacities for absorbing or retaining menstrual blood. So their results officially are, of the 21 individual menstrual hygiene products tested, a menstrual disc, which was the Ziggy brand from China, held the most blood of any product, which was 80 milliliters. And then they go on to say the perennial ice activated cold pack and period underwear held the least. And I was like, wait, why are they testing an ice pack? And then I realized like, oh, they're testing it because like you wear those ice packs after you give birth.

Shanna

Do you think this is going to change anything about the way anyone makes these products?

Laura

That's a really good question. It's gotten a lot of attention, like on TikTok and like the article I was reading was on Newsweek. So I feel like it's gotten a lot of attention. I wonder if it's going to make period like underwear companies refactor how it works because like that's not a very good outcome for them and they really kind of like they definitely talk a big talk in their ads you know so maybe. Maybe that'll change but it's a good question i don't know i just it's just nice to feel seen it's so crazy to me like how often. you find out that women and women's health things are completely ignored in the research realm. I think we've talked about this before, but they test most drugs on men and have only recently started testing drugs on women too and discovering that

Shanna

Yeah, maybe sticking this tampon in a cup of water is not the most accurate method. Wow. Okay. I was a little off with my 1985 guess. You were. It was completely random.

Laura

Welcome to 2023.

Shanna

Wow, fascinating.

Laura

Yes. Anyway, that was it for me. Do you have one more for us?

Shanna

I do. I recently learned about taste buds.

Laura

Okay, they are on your tongue, yes?

Shanna

Very good. Yes, that's what I learned. No, I'm just kidding. I came across a TikTok from a woman who was like, hey, here's an idea of something I say to my kids to help encourage them to try new foods. And I was like, okay, you know, my kids occasionally, especially CeCe, will be like, I love goldfish one day and the next day it's like, no, get those goldfish away from me. It's always changing. So this video is from a TikTok user named Edwina, E-D-W-E-N-A. She says, toddlers have around 30,000 taste buds and they change every two weeks. And that's where I was like, what? I spent my whole life basically not thinking about my taste buds at all. Let's be honest. But definitely not thinking that they like die and shed and are reborn every two weeks. Yeah.

Laura

Yeah, that's totally possible. I've definitely had this thought with Augie, just like I, but more about his sense of smell. Like I think he might be a super smeller and that's what's causing him to just really not like things, but the taste bud thing's really interesting. I need to find, my mind is spinning about how I can use this to try to get him to try new foods, because our biggest problem isn't really that he doesn't like foods, but he is so resistant and really scared of trying new foods. But if he saw a video of someone else telling him about the taste bud thing, maybe he would be open to it, you know, because he's super into like the human body stuff. We have these books about anatomy and stuff he's super into. So like if there was a way I could get like story bots or someone to convince him that his taste buds are changing.

Shanna

Right. Do you need me to have Steve dress up as Batman and make a video about taste buds?

Laura

Yes. But instead of Batman, be a transformer. Okay.

Shanna

Transformer. Okay. Okay. You know what? You just, you just write out the menu of what you need, Laura. Okay. Actually, I'm sure Steve would.

Laura

jump to it. I bet he was. Steve is listening to this right now as he does our like mix down and he's going to be like on it. And like the next thing we know he's going to be like publish the episode. Also, here's your video, guys. Do it, Steve. That is your mission. Let's take a pause so Steve can go produce his video and then we'll come back with our BFPs and BFNs.

Shanna

All right.

Laura

Alright, so my BFP this week is that I successfully organized a trip to the movies with four mom friends and we all went. We all went. We all arrived on time. Nobody had to back out at the last minute. And we got to see Barbie, which is pretty much my favorite movie of all time now. Like I'm obsessed. So happy. We saw it opening weekend too. So everyone was like dressed. We weren't. We were like four moms who could barely make it out of the house in time. But like everyone around us was dressed in all pink and like having so much fun and. We went to one of those movie theaters where they have like the reclining seats and food comes to your table and all that stuff. And it was all moms from Augie's class. Like I've kind of made a little mom posse, a little mom friend group from that's preschool. And I just texted last week.

Shanna

It is the odds of like no one being sick or like a kid having a meltdown and having someone run behind. That is truly miraculous.

Laura

I agree. I mean, we were beside ourselves and we were like so happy. We ordered drinks at our table and just like, oh, we were having the best time. Of course, when we reclined our seats, we're all like, we're never leaving. Like this is amazing. Oh, right. Oh my God, I would immediately fall asleep.

Shanna

I've got so much hot pink. Oh, yes.

Laura

I'm like, oh, maybe that should be like a BFP outing. We should see if any listeners want to come with us. That would be so fun. That would be fun. OK, we'll see if that happens. And if so, we'll keep you updated. But that's pretty much it for me. I saw a movie with four mom friends. It was super fun, and we all made it. So you know what? That camel mode discussion kind of inspired that, too. I was like, I want to go see some movies with my friends. And we did it. So yay. Yay.

Shanna

That's great.

Laura

I'm so happy for you. Thank you. It would have been better if you had been there, though, of course.

Shanna

Yes. Always.

Laura

Always.

Shanna

Everything is better with me. It's true. It's true. OK. So how about you? BFP or BFN? I have a BFP. Oh, good. Yes. OK. I don't think I've talked about this. Stop me if I have. As we all know, Elle plays basketball at one of the local rec centers. And I went down one day a few weeks ago to sign her up for this like new season of basketball. And I was I brought CeCe with me. And when we got there, we saw a flyer on the door for something called Tiny Tots basketball, which is a basketball class for three to four-year-olds. And I was like, oh, Cece, they have a Tiny Tots basketball on Monday evenings. Do you think that's something you would like to do? And I didn't know what she was going to say, because I'm still sussing out, Cece, on her likes and dislikes and what we're going to push her into in life. And she was like, yeah. And I was like, OK, cool.

Laura

Yeah, you do. My mental picture of this is already making me laugh. Like, that's why I've been giggling this whole time, because I'm just trying to imagine CeCe. I did your whole basketball and then a whole sea of them doing that. So I need some proof.

Shanna

OK, here's a photo of her taking a shot.

Laura

Look at that form. That's a layup.

Shanna

Yeah, that was a lucky moment in my photography life to capture that shot. Let's see. I got to send you a video. Hold on. OK, this video is one of the drills they're doing where they have to practice dribbling all the way down the court from one end to the other. OK, let's see.

Laura

Oh, she's trying so hard. Yeah. They're all trying so hard. I like Elle being like, you can do it. Like she's being so supportive.

Shanna

Yeah, she's being so supportive. And it's so funny because it's really like the ball bounces and then their hand just goes up and down in the air like somewhere around the ball. And that's like considered dribbling. It's so cute. And here's the last one I'll send you. This is my favorite. This is a drill. I'll let you explain it. OK, let's see.

Laura

She's got a yellow basketball. Oh, she's doing some hops, hops, hops, hops, hops and into the basket.

Shanna

Oh, she got it. Yeah. The coach is like, all right, this one you do bunny hops up to the basket and then shoot. And I was like, oh my gosh. She understood the assignment. Oh, she's so serious. Oh my goodness. I was shocked. At the end, they did a thing where the coach gave him like really lightweight little plastic balls and he had them like throw them at him as he ran around the gym like to practice passing. He's like throw it from your chest, you know, but throw it at me. I've never seen Cece. Well, it's not true. I see this in her all the time. zero in, like the determination, like she got a look on her face that was like, oh, I'm gonna get this guy. And she ran all around the court and was like slamming him with this ball. Other kids are kind of like, and she was like so focused. So she's really into it. And it's fun to watch. Well, that is amazing. Yeah, it's very, very fun.

Laura

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