Ep. 25: Drinking While Breastfeeding

Shanna Micko: Hi. Welcome to Big Fat Positive. On this week’s episode, we have our weekly check-ins, we have our special segment called, Today I Learned, where we share with you some interesting tidbits we’ve recently learned about pregnancy and childbirth, and we end our show with our weekly BFPs and BFNs. Let’s get started.

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Shanna Micko: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the show on this very Merry Christmas week.

Laura Birek: Ho, ho, ho! Welcome, everyone.

Shanna Micko: Hi, Laura. How are you today?

Laura Birek: I am doing pretty good. How about you?

Shanna Micko: Good. I love the holidays, but that’s not really why we’re here. We’re here to check-in on our pregnancies.

Laura Birek: Yes, we are.

Shanna Micko: Do you want to jump right in?

Laura Birek: I do. Okay. This week I’m actually going to talk about I am 32 weeks pregnant and so my check-in actually has to do a lot with Thanksgiving, and this might be confusing since we just said, “Ho, ho, ho, and welcome to Christmas week.” But you should know that we record in real time and then we release our episodes a little bit late, because we want to have a few episodes in the bank so to speak. So for instance when Shanna has her planned C-section in a couple weeks, we’re not going to be leaving you all high and dry without any episodes. That’s why I’m talking about Thanksgiving on Christmas week. This week in the past, I went up to Fresno for Thanksgiving, which is where I’m from as you know and it was really nice. My parents are divorced and my mom and step-dad were actually out of the country. They were in Cabo in Mexico, Cabo San Lucas.

Shanna Micko: That is the best Thanksgiving plan I’ve ever heard.

Laura Birek: They were there with my three step-sisters and their kids. So there was six kids and six additional adults and so they had a big family thing. I actually had gone a couple years ago. They’ve started doing this tradition of getting out of dodge, like everyone meeting in one place for Thanksgiving, which is pretty nice.

Shanna Micko: That’s fun.

Laura Birek: But I couldn’t go this year for obvious reasons and my doctor was not cool with me going to not only to another country on a plane, but also to somewhere where I think that’s in the Zika virus zone. It wasn’t going to happen. So I went up to the next best place, which is Fresno, California.

Shanna Micko: Just as tropical.

Laura Birek: Just as lovely. You know what? It was actually really nice. It rained and so then the air was really clear and it was actually pretty gorgeous while we were up there, but Thanksgiving was nice. I got to spend all of Thanksgiving with my dad and my step-mom, so I didn’t have to split my time between the divorced parents, which I missed my mom for sure. But there is something nice about not having to worry about bouncing back and forth between two sets of parents on holidays.

Shanna Micko: I would imagine it would be more relaxing, especially when you’re pregnant.

Laura Birek: Definitely. You know there’s a lot of guilt involved. As much as both my parents try not to make us feel guilty, my brother and I tend to just get pulled in two directions and then you have to do this thing, like who gets to have Thanksgiving on Thursday and who gets to have Thanksgiving on Friday and it’s this whole negotiation.

Shanna Micko: Oh my gosh.

Laura Birek: It was nice that this year that didn’t have to happen. I spent most of my time at my dad’s with my dad and my step-mom and my two step-brothers who have three little girls between them. They are five, four and almost. They’re the cutest. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see the five year old, because she was sick the whole time.

Shanna Micko: Oh, no.

Laura Birek: I know. It was so sad. She’s such a sweetheart and she’s really precocious. She’s really adorable. Every time she takes a photo, she sticks her hip out and puts her arm on her hip and she looks real sassy.

Shanna Micko: I can picture her doing that.

Laura Birek: She sent my step-mom a selfie video that she took. She has an old cell phone that she uses to FaceTime her relatives. She’s half Japanese American and half Irish. Her mom is from Ireland, so she has this huge amount of family in Ireland. She apparently will just spontaneously pick up her cell phone and FaceTime her Irish family. Apparently, the phone made its way all around Ireland one day, because they were literally driving it from house to house, because everyone wanted to talk to my niece.

Shanna Micko: That’s so cute.

Laura Birek: So she got her phone and all completely on her own recorded a video that was so sad. Here’s a little recreation. She’s like, “Hi guys. I really wish I could be there for Thanksgiving, but I’m sick.” It was so cute. She sent that by herself, so it was really cute and apparently she was really sad to miss me and I was sad to miss her. Then the Saturday after Thanksgiving, my stepmom and this little girl’s mom, my sister-in-law Ailish, put together a little mini baby shower for me, because they’re not going to come down to LA for mine, which I told them you don’t have to come down to LA for mine and drag your kids and get hotel rooms. That’s all crazy. So we did a little family one. It was really nice and apparently my niece was so sad she couldn’t make it.

Shanna Micko: Man, she had to miss that too.

Laura Birek: I really appreciate it, because she didn’t want to get me sick with the baby and so that’s the reason why they didn’t come over.

Shanna Micko: Right.

Laura Birek: I felt for her, but it was really fun hanging out with my other two nieces. The middle niece, the one who’s four apparently we hung out all day. She’s this total sweetheart and then apparently when she went home after Thanksgiving with her mom and dad, she told her mom that she wanted me to be her mom and then her mom could be her dad and her dad could be her big sister. I was like, “Yes! I won her over.” But anyway, the other part of the check-in real quick is that the mini shower that they organized for me was just super sweet. I got some presents, but there was also this thing that my step-sister-in-law, Ailish, arranged. She called it a blessing way ceremony. Have you heard of this?

Shanna Micko: Kind of. I’m not 100% sure about it.

Laura Birek: I had only heard of it, because she had had one when she had her daughter and she asked if it’d be okay if she organized one for me. I said, “Sure.” I did some research on it. It’s originally taken from Navajo tradition, but it’s been sort of morphed into sort of non-religious thing. Honestly, it’s like a non-religious thing white people do and say it has a lot of deep meaning from Navajo culture. At first I was a little bit like, are we appropriating? But the spirit behind it was really what was important. I guess there’s different ways to do it, but for mine, she had everyone bring an individual bead and write a little blessing for me, Corey, and for the baby. So everyone had their bead and then they said their blessing and then we strung them all together to make a bracelet and the idea is I can wear the bracelet to have all their blessings with me during birth. It’s very sweet.

Shanna Micko: That’s sweet. Is this a tradition that’s specific to childbirth or is it something that’s for any kind of transition in life and you guys just did it for this?

Laura Birek: My understanding is that it’s specifically to bless a woman into motherhood, like create the transition into motherhood, but I don’t know. I haven’t done that much research into it so I could be wrong, but that’s what the internet told me.

Shanna Micko: Okay.

Laura Birek: It was very nice and my stepmom is going to actually physically put it together into a book.

Shanna Micko: That sounds wonderful.

Laura Birek: So I have the bracelet and it’s so cute, because everyone picked their own style of bracelet and most people wrote deep, meaningful, heartfelt things and then my stepbrother who’s really into sports, he’s a big sports guy, had a Wayne Gretsky quote. Stuff like that is cute. So it was all together a really nice Thanksgiving and I’m really glad I made the trek up to Fresno for that.

Shanna Micko: That sounds awesome.

Laura Birek: It was nice. How about you? What did you do this week?

Shanna Micko: I went back in the office at work, because I’ve been working from home.

Laura Birek: That’s right.

Shanna Micko: But these are my last few days before my maternity leave and I needed to help train my replacement.

Laura Birek: Yeah.

Shanna Micko: So it was a short week, because of the holiday. 

But I did go back to work and I think people were like, “You’re back. I thought you were gone and maybe had the baby.” It was kind of weird, but I did go back and my big update is, oh my God, I am peeing constantly.

Laura Birek: Really?

Shanna Micko: Remember it’s an open office, so I’m just more aware of every move I make, because it’s like walking by the desks of all the tech guys to the bathroom literally every 30 minutes and like nothing is coming out. This kid is clearly just jamming her head onto my bladder and making it feel like I have to pee. So that’s very frustrating.

Laura Birek: Man, you know what that reminds me of? I read a book about space travel called Packing for Mars by Mary Roach. It’s really good. It’s all about the physical sort of practical day to day stuff that happens if you are going to be on a long space trip like, how do you eat without getting crumbs everywhere? How do you have sex in space? All this stuff. She has a whole chapter on how you go to the bathroom in space, but one of the things that’s interesting about it is that when you don’t have gravity, you don’t get that trigger that you have to go to the bathroom until your platter is so full. It’s about to like burst.

Shanna Micko: Whoa! That’s crazy. So it’s the feeling of needing to pee is gravity pulling down on the urine in your bladder?

Laura Birek: Yeah, it’s the pressure. But you need that gravity pushing, so you have the opposite. It’s like you are on a high gravity planet now.

Shanna Micko: It’s just all gravity all the time. That’s crazy. I wish I had some lack of gravity right now, because that’s a little bit annoying.

Laura Birek: I bet.

Shanna Micko: But then after that was over, I said my last goodbyes to everyone and took off for my maternity leave and for Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving was nice. We had family come into town and some friends over and we ordered a meal from Whole Foods.

Laura Birek: I totally do it.

Shanna Micko: Which I probably should have saved that for my BFP for the week, because that was killer. That was such a genius idea probably on my part. I don’t remember who came up with it, but it was just like it’s too busy people coming in town. I do not want to shop for one zillion ingredients and spend all day in the kitchen or make my family do that and it was delicious. It was good. It took a lot longer to heat up than we anticipated. We always run behind on serving meals, but luckily we aimed for five and ate around seven.

Laura Birek: Wow. That is a big difference.

Shanna Micko: It was a big difference, but it was nice. 

I didn’t mind being pregnant on Thanksgiving when I didn’t have to do much and just ate a lot of food.

Laura Birek: That’s the way to do it. Also, I realized there’s not a lot of Thanksgiving foods that are like off limits. There was nothing that I was like, ooh, I’m not supposed to eat that. I was excited by that.

Shanna Micko: Just the copious amounts of wine I would usually imbibe.

Laura Birek: That’s totally true.

Shanna Micko: I had a little bit. I had maybe like two ounces of wine, which was divine.

Laura Birek: That sounds good. The other thing is that at my stepmom’s, almost the entire side of that family is allergic to alcohol. They’re Japanese American. They have this thing that a lot of Asian people have, which is they have a really severe alcohol intolerance. So none of them drink and my dad is a total lightweight. He’ll have half a beer and that’s it.

Shanna Micko: That’s right.

Laura Birek: I was like, great, this is easy for me. I don’t have to worry about this and then of course, Corey was like, is there a single beer in this house that I can have?

Shanna Micko: Poor, Corey.

Laura Birek: They tracked him down, so it was fine.

Shanna Micko: Tracked down beer is never usually very good. It’s like some weird Sam Adams seasonal brew in the back corner that’s no good.

Laura Birek: It’s definitely whatever the drags are.

Shanna Micko: 100%.

Laura Birek: But that sounds good. I think that’s the end of our check-ins then, right?

Shanna Micko: It is.

Laura Birek: Moving on.

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Laura Birek: All right. This week’s special segment is, Today I Learned, where we discuss cool new things or interesting things we’ve learned this week. Shanna, what have you learned this week?

Shanna Micko: I came across an article titled, “Is pregnancy contagious?”

Laura Birek: In our little group of friends I would say, “Yes, it seems to be.”

Shanna Micko: You’re right. “Researchers have done a 10 year research study and found evidence to support the notion that pregnancy is contagious.”

Laura Birek: Oh my God.

Shanna Micko: I’ll put ‘contagious’ in quotes, because obviously you don’t catch it like the flu or whatever, but there are factors that make pregnancy run through friend circles. Here, let me take a look. So over 10 years, they analyzed the data of 1,720 women and by the end of the study, half of them had gotten pregnant.

Laura Birek: That’s a lot.

Shanna Micko: They cite things like friendship ties that encourage one another to get pregnant and that’s because we’re affected by our environment and who’s in it and what’s going on. So those are the kinds of things that create the contagion. For example, if you see your friend have a baby and that might give you the confidence to be like, “If she can do it and handle it, then I could probably handle it too.” I totally related to that. I remember before I had kids and it seemed such a far off notion, some of my friends started getting pregnant and having children that were wonderful and the parents were great and it all just seemed lovely. 

I was kind of like, “Gosh, if it can be like that and they can do it, I suppose I can too,” and that kind of gave me some get up and go to get the train going.

Laura Birek: I totally get that. Honestly, you were a big sort of inspiration for Corey and I, and maybe not in the way you want us to be, but watching you go through your fertility struggles really made me think hard about we do want kids. We were waffling. No, we do. But then also, we better get going on this, because it’s not necessarily going to be easy?

Shanna Micko: Especially when you wait a little bit longer, it’s not really a thing a lot of people talk about, like how hard it can be if you do wait until a little bit later in life.

Laura Birek: I have to say I remember when I was in the process I think it was January, we were like, okay. We’re pulling the goalie. We’re going to try to conceive and I think in February or March, our friend, Keri, who we interviewed the pharmacist, told us she was pregnant and I remember being like, “Damn it! She beat me.” But I think that is really interesting though. I wonder if people who know they don’t want kids how that affects them to see other friends.

Shanna Micko: Some people are pretty staunch about their decision to not have kids. I don’t know. I can’t speak for them. Who knows what it makes them feel? But it does touch on something else. The article is saying that another thing is watching a friend step into motherhood and move on to that phase in their life might make the childless person feel ‘left behind’ and so that might give them that oomph to move forward and do that with their own life and so it could be contagious in that way too. 

But if you’re pretty staunchly decided you don’t want kids, I don’t know how much that would really affect you. This might be more for people who are like not quite ready or on the fence or who knows.

Laura Birek: I think that’s really interesting. I definitely had some of those feelings, because I’m kind of a later addition. Part of it is that I’m younger. My whole life I have just had friends who are just a little bit older than me for various reasons I don’t know why. I graduated from high school a year early, so that might have something to do with it. But so I was always knowing I was sort of on the later track anyway, but definitely when you and Jen had kids, it definitely showed me how it’s doable and obviously, I love your kids. Your kids are some of my favorite people. You gave me that baby virus, Shanna.

Shanna Micko: Aha! I infected you. Anyway, what about you? What did you learn this week?

Laura Birek: All right. So I was reading a book. It’s called Cribsheet by Emily Oster and it’s not out yet. Emily Oster is the woman who wrote the book we are always praising called Expecting Better.

Shanna Micko: Love it.

Laura Birek: So good. For anyone who is in the middle of their pregnancy right now, go get Expecting Better by Emily Oster. It will change your life. I swear I’m not exaggerating and I found out that she has a parenting book that’s coming out in I think March or April called Cribsheet.

Shanna Micko: So exciting.

Laura Birek: I managed to get an advanced copy, because it would be a dream to interview her on the show and I happen to know someone who works at Penguin. So I got them to send me an advanced copy and it’s so good. It’s just as good as Expecting Better and I’m so glad I have it. When it comes out, you guys all have to get it, but there’s a section on breastfeeding, of course. What it is it’s like an empirical analysis of all the different data we have on how you should raise your kids and whether there’s any scientific proof to things like breastfeeding, whether it’s better than formula or whether nipple confusion is real or whether you should sleep train your kids. Was cry it out better or what’s the deal with co-sleeping?

Shanna Micko: She analyzes all of the research studies that have been done around these things, right?

Laura Birek: Yes, instead of just having an opinion, which she does, she’ll tell you if she has a strong opinion. For example, in the spanking in the discipline chapter, she just comes out and says, “I do not believe in spanking. I try to be as empirical as possible, but I just want you to know that I am coming at this from a point of view where I don’t think spanking is correct.” Then she’ll say, but also here is the evidence. So she does this for every topic and she goes through and tries to find all the best studies and also tells you if the study’s good or not. Like she’ll say there’s this one study that says co-sleeping is the best thing in the whole world and it’ll make your child a genius, but there’s like five people in the study and it’s not a good quality for whatever reason.

Shanna Micko: A lot of people overlook that stuff when they quote studies as evidence and stuff. So that’s great that she’s doing this work and she’s a pioneer in this area.

Laura Birek: She really is, because usually, I’ve tried to read other parenting books and you just don’t know whether you should trust these people. They all seem to have an agenda and a perspective that is biased in a way. We’re all biased in a way, but anyway, I’m getting off topic. The point is she has a breastfeeding chapter, which is awesome and the part that really stuck out to me that I wanted to talk about on this podcast is the breastfeeding and drinking alcohol section. So I think we’ve all heard of pump and dump, right?

Shanna Micko: Of course.

Laura Birek: Where if you drink a little bit, you should pump out your breast milk and dump it down the drain, which I had heard was no longer recommended. But I had no idea why and I didn’t really understand the physiology of breastfeeding and drinking and this is a topic that’s on my mind, because I miss having just a good cocktail when I’m stressed out and I was like, man, I’m going to have to do this. I’m going to have to avoid it for another six months to a year, because of the breastfeeding, assuming breastfeeding goes okay for me.

Shanna Micko: Right.

Laura Birek: I was kind of bummed, but what I learned is you don’t and here’s why.

Shanna Micko: Tell me more.

Laura Birek: Your breast milk mirrors your blood alcohol level. It’s serum based apparently, so it’s your blood alcohol level is your breast milk alcohol level. That means that when let’s say you have enough drinks that you’re not safe to drive, you’re at 0.08% blood alcohol level. That means that of the volume of liquid in your body that is blood 0.08% of that is alcohol.

Shanna Micko: So not even 1%

Laura Birek: Not even one tenth of it or percent. A glass of wine is like 12% to 14% alcohol, beer is anywhere from 3% to 8%. There are some beers that go up higher. A shot of vodka is 40% generally. We’re talking 0.08% alcohol.

Shanna Micko: So if a vampire drank your blood after a bender, he would not even get a buzz.

Laura Birek: Not even if he drained your circulatory system. Unless vampires are really lightweights.

Shanna Micko: They could be.

Laura Birek: Maybe they are.

Shanna Micko: This is a topic I know nothing about.

Laura Birek: They’re undead. That’s a topic for another day and the point is that your breast milk is the same and as your blood alcohol level goes down so does your breast milk. It’s not like it just gets stored in your boobs and stays at the peak level of alcohol. It goes down at the same rate that your blood alcohol level goes down. So as you sober up, it goes down.

Shanna Micko: So if you want your baby to have 0% alcohol, you just wait a while. You don’t have to pump it out of your body and then throw it away.

Laura Birek: Correct, which is huge because you don’t want to pump it. That stuff is liquid gold, right? You don’t want to have to toss it down the drain, but also you have to think, I know we don’t want to give babies any alcohol. Ideally, you don’t want any alcohol in their system, but let’s say you have one drink and you’re at 0.02% alcohol, is that even statistically significant?

Shanna Micko: I don’t know. Has the research been done? I know that’s probably an area that people can’t research.

Laura Birek: You can’t dose babies with alcohol. What I will say is that I talked to my mom about this and she said that a lot of medicines have a little bit of alcohol in them.

Shanna Micko: That’s what I was thinking too.

Laura Birek: You know there are people who used to put whiskey on their baby’s gums when they were teething.

Shanna Micko: True. That’s right.

Laura Birek: Which I don’t think it’s recommended either, but it’s like a drop and I don’t think I would even be that concerned about a drop of whiskey on my baby’s gums when they’re teething, because it’s so little. God, CPS is going to come get me. I’m not planning on feeding my baby alcohol. But the point is you have to make your own decision. You have to make your own decision if you want 0%, 0%, 0% alcohol in your bloodstream. But it made me feel a lot better because it’s like, you know what? If my bloodstream is 0.02% alcohol and my baby is starving and we don’t have any breast milk, you can make a decision. Do we do formula or do I just say, you know what? I’m okay with the equivalent of one drop of whiskey in a big bottle. You know what I mean? It’s so small, so that made me feel better.

Shanna Micko: It’s good to be informed with all of this information before making decisions. Last time I had a baby, my first child, we got these alcohol breast milk test strips.

Laura Birek: Do they work?

Shanna Micko: Yeah, they did work. It’s like it changes color basically if it detects a certain level of alcohol in your breast milk. I don’t know how 100% percent accurate it is, but I’m just saying if anyone wants to test and see if they’ve waited long enough for it to go down to not even register, you can use these little strips to test.

Laura Birek: There you go.

Shanna Micko: Those are kind of helpful.

Laura Birek: No more pumping and dumping. Anyway, that made me feel good. I’m excited to have an old fashioned.

Laura Birek: It’s coming up.

Shanna Micko: So soon.

Laura Birek: Shall we move on?

Shanna Micko: Let’s do.

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Shanna Micko: As always, we end our show with our BFPs and BFNs, big fat positives and big fat negatives of the week. Laura, what do you have for us?

Laura Birek: Okay. I have a BFP this week.

Shanna Micko: Ulala.

Laura Birek: I went up to Fresno as I mentioned for Thanksgiving and my mom was out of town, so I actually slept in her bed when I was up there and my mom has an adjustable Tempur-Pedic bed with massaging functions.

Shanna Micko: What in the holy god mother is this? I want one.

Laura Birek: Oh my God, I was in heaven. It’s a Tempur-Pedic bed, which is already super comfortable and it’s adjustable. So the feet go up and the head goes up. I’ve mentioned on this podcast, I have terrible heartburn and reflux and so I sleep on a wedge at home. I didn’t have to have a wedge. I could adjust it any time to exactly the height I wanted.

Shanna Micko: Wow.

Laura Birek: I think it’s heated too. I didn’t bother with that, because it was plenty warm when I was there.

Shanna Micko: Is this like a $20,000 bed?

Laura Birek: I don’t know. I haven’t asked her. I don’t want to ask her. She keeps being like, “You should get one,” and I was like, I’m going to try to pretend to have a young person bed for just a little while longer. I talked to her on the phone on Thanksgiving and she was like, “You like my bed?” I was like, “Oh my God, I fucking love your bed. I never want to leave.” She was like, “Have you tried the massaging stuff yet?” I was like, “No, I don’t know if I like that.” She’s like, “No, you need to try it.” So one of the nights I was there, I woke up in the middle of the night to pee and went back to bed and couldn’t quite fall asleep and I was like, I should try this like vibrate function, because I was thinking about how babies swings and stuff all have vibration now to help babies sleep. I was like I should try that. I turned it on and you can choose whether you want lumbar or you’re hugging your head on your legs. I chose lumbar and it lulled me to sleep so well.

Shanna Micko: Wow.

Laura Birek: I had been having such a shitty week leading up to that point, because I was rushing. I’m sure I’ve mentioned a million times about how my work has been insane and I was rushing to meet a deadline up to the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and I hadn’t been sleeping well and I was just kind of physically miserable and I got to my mom’s and I got into her bed and I had the best night’s sleep I’ve had in months, Shanna.

Shanna Micko: That’s awesome.

Laura Birek: I woke up so happy. I was like, this is great. So I’m very into my mom’s adjustable Tempur-Pedic bed, but not enough to get one yet also because the funniest thing is I loved it. Corey hated it.

Shanna Micko: Did he have to also sit upright and stuff?

Laura Birek: No, that’s the thing. They’re separately adjustable, which is good because he’s a stomach sleeper. But he likes a firm mattress and this was like soft.

Shanna Micko: Tempur-Pedic can be pretty sinky.

Laura Birek: He woke up and he said, “My back hurts,” and I was like, “I feel great.”

Shanna Micko: Sorry.

Laura Birek: It’s just balancing out a little bit, so if you can get your hands on an adjustable bed during pregnancy, I highly recommend it. I miss it already. Anyway, what do you have for us? BFP or BFN?

Shanna Micko: I have a BFP also.

Laura Birek: Good.

Shanna Micko: As you know, I have a daughter who’s getting very excited about having a little sister and we’ve been showing her books and all kinds of things like getting her ready for the idea of having a sister. But one of my favorite things is this Daniel Tiger episode. So Daniel Tiger’s a cartoon for kids and it’s based on the character from Mr. Rogers, the little tiger character.

Laura Birek: Yes.

Shanna Micko: So it’s a very adorable, cute show. There’s an episode where the mom is pregnant and goes to the hospital and has the baby and so he becomes a big brother and they bring a little sister into the family and every time I watch this or listen to it, because sometimes we stream it in the car so she can hear it in the speakers, I get so choked up. They’re like, “I can’t wait to meet the baby,” because there’s a lot of singing and stuff and it’s so cute and they’re all just so happy to meet this little baby and bring him home and Daniel Tiger’s excited to be a big brother and my daughter loves this episode and I just get so choked up thinking about how I’m going to bring home a baby and her little sister.

Laura Birek: Aww, that’s so cute.

Shanna Micko: It’s cute and I recommend that episode. I think there’s two episodes about Daniel Tiger becoming a big brother. I recommend that.

Laura Birek: Where can you watch this?

Shanna Micko: It’s a PBS Show, do PBS Kids. We watch it on Amazon Prime to stream it.

Laura Birek: Got you.

Shanna Micko: So if you are an expecting mom and have an older sibling and you want to show them something to get them thinking about adding to the family, I’m getting choked up thinking about it, because it’s so cute. It’s we’re adding to the family. We’re adding more love to the family. There’s nothing about it that’s taking away from Daniel Tiger. You know what I mean?

Laura Birek: That’s sweet.

Shanna Micko: It’s really sweet. I recommend that episode.

Laura Birek: All right. I’ll put it in my queue. I think that’s our show though.

Shanna Micko: It is. Woo-hoo!

Laura Birek: We’d really appreciate it if everyone who is a fan go to their Apple podcast and leave a review and a rating for us. That really helps us find more listeners.

Shanna Micko: Can people rate us on Spotify?

Laura Birek: I don’t think so, but we love our Spotify listeners as well.

Shanna Micko: Absolutely. As usual we would love to hear from you. If you have any questions or comments or any feedback, please feel free to get in touch. Laura, where can they find us?

Laura Birek: We are on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook at BFP Podcast and we also have a Facebook community group you can join. We also have a website, bigfatpositivepodcast.com, where we will post all of our show notes and any links to things like Daniel Tiger.

Shanna Micko: Big Fat Positive is produced by Laura Birek, Shanna Micko and Steve Yager.

Laura Birek: Thanks for listening.

Shanna Micko: Happy holidays!

Laura Birek: Happy holidays, everyone.

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