Big Fat Positive podcast episode 225: Halloween With Little Kids: Fun and Frights

Halloween With Little Kids: Fun and Frights – Ep. 225

October 24, 2022

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Shanna and Laura get in the Halloween spirit by sharing their plans and revealing their families’ costumes for one of their favorite holidays. Also, in the special segment “Why Is My Kid Crying?” they share the seemingly innocuous things that have caused their little ones to melt down, dissect the reasons behind the huge emotions, discuss how they handled the situations and explore how they might have done things differently. Finally, they share their BFPs and BFNs for the week. Shanna’s kids are 3.5 and 6 years old, and Laura’s kids are 3.5 years old and 19 months old.

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Episode Transcript

Shanna

Hi, welcome to Big Fat Positive with Shanna and Laura. On this week's episode, we have our weekly check-ins. We have our special segment, Why Is My Kid Crying, where we explore the things that have upset our kids recently, including spooky surprises and painful pasta. And we wrap it up with our weekly BFPs and BFNs. Let's get started. Hi, welcome to episode 225. Hello, Laura. That's my spooky voice.

Laura

It's a good one. Hello, Shanna.

Shanna

We're talking like this because Halloween is coming up. That's right. We love Halloween. We always do at least a little something on the show for Halloween. So for this episode, instead of doing our normal check-in, we're going to do a Halloween themed check-in and talk about what's going on in our lives and our families in preparation for one of our favorite holidays. Laura, what Halloweeny things have you and your family been getting up to? Well,

Laura

I recently have made like a parenting revelation that- Ooh, I love these. Okay. I feel really like embarrassed that it took me this long, to be honest, because what I've realized is that my extremely dramatic loves to do imaginary play, loves to be a director child, Augie, my three and a half year old, in case you didn't know who I was talking about. My big revelation is that he loves dressing up in costumes.

Shanna

Oh That's fun. That's a great thing to do all year round.

Laura

Yeah, and I'm just like what? Why is this just occurring to me now? Like, and it's just occurring to me now because we've actually like, it's so funny. I asked him, you know, what do you want to be for Halloween? And he was like, I want to be Optimus Prime. And I'm like, okay, cool. I, you know, I have all this cardboard that I'm collecting for my lawn project. I'll just use some of that and I'll make like a really cool, like transforming costume. And of course, like buy it, buy it just buy the costume. I was like, but. But I have this vision. He's like, will you please just buy the costume? And I was like, okay, I see your point. I get it. I'm doing the thing that I do, which is like over complicating things. I will just buy the costume. And so I went on the internet and bought the Optimus Prime costume and I bought a Bumblebee costume for Sebastian, who's 19 months old.

By the way, it's not a bee, Bumblebee. It's like the Transformers Bumblebee.

Oh, okay, gotcha. I've had to explain this to all the grandparents so far. No, not a bee, not an actual cute little adorable bee. No, no, no, he's going to be a robot.

Shanna

A robot bee, got it.

Laura

Yes, robot bee. And of course these arrived Wait early because I ordered them way early because you know Halloween's past I have not been so proactive and I've been scrambling at the last minute for costumes and of course Augie knows what those Amazon packages look like and what may be contained inside. So like I got a text message from Corey one random day. He was like, Augie found the costume. I hope you didn't mean to save it till Halloween.

but he of course wanted to wear it all the time and was like so excited by it. And then we went to Costco on a errand run and they had like a whole rack of costumes, which actually is a hot tip. I don't know if you've been to Costco, but they, at least the one I go to, cause I know sometimes stock is different in different places, but they have like this huge rack of Halloween costumes that are actually really cool. And there was like a ninja costume he wanted. So we got him a ninja costume and Then on my mom's groups, people were giving away costumes and I was like, I'll take that too, because yeah. I have learned from you, Shanna, that having multiple options is a good thing for Halloween night when your child who's been insisting they're going to be Optimus Prime for the last three weeks suddenly decides, no, they're not going to be Optimus Prime.

They would like to be something else and I will have a meltdown unless you provide me with something else right now.

Ninja exactly. Um, so anyway, so now we are the proud owners of for Augie a, um, Optimus Prime costume, a Ninja costume, a C3PO costume. Cool. And then a bunch of like capes that my mom got him, like superhero cape. So I'm going to send you some pictures so you can see the cuteness.

Shanna

Ooh, this is cool. I don't know what that costume is. Maybe that's the ninja, black and gold. But it also looks like he has a Spider-Man face.

Laura

Yes, you might be confused by that because we went to a birthday party that day that had a face painter, so he has a Spider-Man face.

Shanna

with a ninja body. Okay, Optimus Prime. Oh, Robot Bumblebee. I can see why the grandparents are confused by that one. So adorable. And then what's this one? Oh, C3PO. Got it. How fun! You've got your bases covered. This is good.

Laura

Definitely. And he's having so much fun with the costumes. Like, even if none of them get worn on actual Halloween, Oh I forgot we also have Luke Skywalker from last year because it was like way too big on him last year so I'm sure it'll fit him just fine. Yeah yeah so like he's having so much fun and it took Halloween for us to realize or for me to realize like oh like get my kid who loves pretend play some costumes for pretend play.

Shanna

Oh, goodness. A dress-up bin is always a fun thing to have in your back pocket as a parent.

Laura

Just pull out the costume bin. I need to collect them in one place because right now they're hanging in a closet that's inaccessible to him. I need to have some way to have them accessible. But they also need to not get totally ruined before Halloween. So it's a balance.

Because I'm not paying $100 for a last minute costume. It's not happening. No. But yeah, so that's what we're doing and that we're also decorating. And this is where mama gets to have some fun.

Shanna

Yes.

Laura

OK, so I sent you a few pictures of the little decorations I've done.

Shanna

Oh, we've got a spooky cobweb hanging from the chandelier, bats and spiders on the walls. Oh, so fun. Gosh, I love Halloween. So you had fun doing this?

Laura

Yes. So the bats were fun for me. I saw something on TikTok, of course, that was like, how did DIY these like this flock of bats? I don't know. It's not a flock. What is the collective noun for bats? A squeak. Is it? You know that? I don't know. I just made that up. No, I just made that up. I don't know. Oh, come on. That was very convincing. Wait, I'm going to look this up. A gaggle, a flap. Oh, it's a colony, apparently. A colony of bats. Yeah, so that's less exciting. Anyway, so there's a colony of bats flying on my wall. And I got to make it with my cricket machine. Oh nice. So I went to the dollar store got some like black card stock and that little like tic-tac-y stuff that you stick things to walls like do you remember I haven't used this stuff since like high school but it's like.

tacky putty that you Yeah, the poster putty poster putty exactly so I got that to and then I just found some like that shapes on the web and print they had the cricket cut them out of like different sizes and a couple different shapes. And you just kind of like fold the wings forward and stick it to the wall and it looks like you've got like a three dimensional bat colony flying away.

Shanna

That's so fun. If you come to my house, I don't want you to think I copied you because I bought that from Amazon last year. I have a similar thing, but I bought it and it's not nearly as cool as what you made. But I get like the idea of the three-dimensional of the wings popping up and like, it's a really fun, cool decoration.

Laura

And the pictures don't really do it justice, I have to say. And then there's just some other stuff haphazardly thrown about because Augie got involved. Like I got the big bin of, Halloween decorations out and he decided he was going to put up a few pumpkins randomly. And then the other thing that we're doing is our like trips to various pumpkin patches. So the first one we did, we did when my mom was in town, we went to Underwood Family Farms, which is super fun. It's this huge, like it's like a farm amusement park. I don't know how to explain it.

Shanna

Yeah, it's a combo of both. There's fields of vegetables and fruits. There's animals. There's attractions. And then for the fall, they really go all out with food trucks and pumpkin patches and all kinds of stuff.

Laura

So let me send you a picture of the kids at Underwood. Awesome love a good pumpkin patch pick. And then I have one other hot tip for anyone who's listening to this live like if it's not Halloween yet and you're in the LA area. One of the coolest things you can do is go to Discanso Gardens because they have this like special thing called carved where they have like all these displays of like really cool carved pumpkins and interactive light displays and a big house that's made out of pumpkins, like a pumpkin house. Which is fine, great photo ops and all that stuff. But to go to the event, it's a nighttime event. It's like, it's really expensive. Like the tickets are expensive and it's like after bedtime and all that stuff, it's kind of a pain in the ass to go to.

However, if you do what I did, which is show up at 4pm an hour before the main garden closes, you get basically the same experience, but without having to buy the special ticket and it's empty. It was empty. So I went the other day with the kids and we got to like walk right up to the pumpkin house and take as many pictures as we want like on weekends or during this festival. Like you have to like wait in this big long line and get your two pictures and then go or whatever. And it was just like super it was just super awesome. It was like perfect. So if you happen to be in the LA area, do that instead. It's great. I love that idea. So they don't kick you out before the actual event starts. No, they do, but like it's five o'clock and your kids need to go home and eat anyway. You know what I mean? Oh, I see. So you're experiencing it still during daylight. Exactly.

But you get to see like all the stuff minus maybe the light show. Gotcha. Cool. That said, I totally bought tickets for the Christmas light show because I want to go to that. But for this Halloween stuff, it's perfect for little kids. So we got to go here. I'm going to send you a picture from it. OK. So I sent you a few pictures, including one of the big pumpkin house and the kids just having a lot of fun.

Shanna

Oh, this is so Halloween-y. I like it. I'll have to take the girls there for sure.

Laura

Yeah, it's a great place. It's a great place in general. And don't get me wrong, if you want to go to the evening one, like support Dysconso, they're a great organization. But if you're like me who's like, that's too close to bedtime, this is a great alternative.

Shanna

Yeah, it's tricky to go places at night with kids. And plus, Underwood Farms is expensive too. We bought tickets to go in a couple of weeks and dropped over $100, just entrance tickets. It's like, I can't do everything.

Laura

Yeah, it gets really expensive. But yeah, I think we are like fully in the Halloween spirit over here. Sounds like it. Are you gonna dress up? You know, I have Princess Leia from last year. I'll probably just do that again, because I love dressing up for Halloween, but with the kids, it's like everything gets focused on them. And I don't know. I don't know if I have the energy to, like, come up with something new. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But check back in. Maybe I'll come up with something exciting. We'll have to post stuff on our Instagram, like, on Halloween so our followers can see it in real time.

Shanna

Yes.

Laura

Yes. OK, so that is what we're doing for Halloween. I'm very excited about it. But I want to know what you're doing for Halloween, because I feel like you go all out with decorations and everything. So I'm excited to hear about it.

Shanna

I love decorating for Halloween and my new tradition is going to the 99 cent store at the beginning of the season and stocking up on Halloween decorations. This year I brought Ellen Cici with me and they just like They were so excited. They were walking up and down the aisles, picking things out. And Elle was like, I want everything spooky and just all about spooky stuff this year. So we got a lot of like creepy skeletons and haunted looking clowns and all kinds of fun stuff. So we've definitely decorated the house already. As for costumes, we had a bit of a journey with the costume situation. So I asked what she wanted to be for Halloween and she was like a doggy like she wanted to be a cute doggy and so I was like okay like let's look online at dog costumes at Amazon because I'm a proponent of get the costume early and let your kids use it because.

I feel like I get my money's worth if they wear it and use it and play in it, leading up to Halloween. So yeah, we got it super early. So we go on Amazon to look for dog costumes. We're going through and seeing cute stuff. And CCC is a chase costume in the dogs from Paw Patrol. So she's like, I want to be chased. And it's like, OK, good. So that's subtle. She's going to be chased. And then she's like, I want you to be Marshall. And so I'm like, OK, I'll be Marshall. So I'm being Marshall. Al seemed to lose interest in being a dog as soon as we decided to be dogs or something. I don't know. There was some change of heart there. She's like, no, I don't want to be. a dog. I want to be, I don't know, a snake. And so it's like looking at a snake and like nothing is like really making her happy. And then she's like, well, you and CeCe are matching your costumes. I want to match daddy.

Steve actually bought a costume ahead of time. Like he was way on top of it. He bought

He bought a full body suit that like zips over his face and he is a stick man. Okay. So it's a white suit and then like a black outline of like a stick man.

Laura

Oh, got it. I was envisioning like a tree stick. Uh, yes. Okay. Like a rudimentary child's drawing of a human figure.

Shanna

Yes. So he's a stickman. Okay. Well, she's like, I want to be a stickman. So I'm looking online for kids, stickman. And there's nothing. But there are listings for various, like one piece leotard type outfits that are coming up. And she saw one in particular and was like, that's what I want. And I was like, what, what is that? Like, what are you going to be? Yeah. It's a full body, black, It's all black. It zips over the head, over the face. It has feet. It has fingers. It's like a complete black suit. And she's like, I don't know. That's what I want to be. And I'm like, I can't tamp the child's spirit. She has ideas and passions. And I, as a mom, choose not to tamp down on those within reason. I was like, OK. And I'm like, maybe you could be a shadow. And she's like, yes, I'm going to be a shadow.

And I'm like, but in my mind, of course, yeah, but you were going to be like a cute puppy dog. And now this is what you're going to be. OK, so let me let me send you a photo of the costume so you can really see what I'm talking about.

Laura

Yeah, that's like a void. She's just a black void.

Wow. Like, that's it. I'm like, oh my God, am I gonna be able to like see you when we go trick or treating? That is a concern of mine as well.

Shanna

And I'm like, I'm gonna have to get you a glow in the dark necklace or something.

Laura

Yeah, for sure, because you can barely see her in this photo in your living room. Uh-huh. Steve's is way creepier than I anticipated. It is really creepy, isn't it? Like, I thought, oh, that'd be kind of cute, but it's so uncanny like it. So it's a stickman. I wasn't envisioning the smiley face on the stickman. Yeah, two eyes and a smile. It's very creepy. Like this is definitely some serial killer, you know, showing up at your door in a horror movie.

Shanna

Costume, right? Yeah, I think so. I could definitely see some blood being splattered on that costume.

Laura

Hopefully none of yours. Okay, so what are they holding? Some decorations from the 99 cent store? Oh yeah, some Halloween decoration. Gotcha, gotcha.

Shanna

Yeah. So that's our costume situation.

Laura

I see you also sent me a photo of Cece as Chase, which standing next to this shadowy void really makes a good contrast between like how adorable the Chase costume is and how unsettling the black void costume is.

Shanna

Oh, it's so funny. It's like, I don't know, just having a six year old girl, like, I don't know, I would like think, oh, she's going to want to be like a pretty princess, you know, just thinking stereotypically, of course, like a princess or like a cute dog or like, oh my gosh, it's going to be so cute. And then this costume, it's just amazing. And that's really funny. I just love how quirky she is. Yeah. And as I mentioned, we've got plans to go to the pumpkin patch and Go trick-or-treating and do all that fun stuff. And yeah, that's pretty much our Halloween check-in. All right.

Laura

Well, shall we move on to our special segment then? I think we should.

Okay, we are back in our special segment this week is why is my kid crying? This is a segment where Shanna and I report on some unusual or funny situations that made our kids cry. But the point is not to make fun of them. We would never do that. We're not mocking our children for having feelings. But at least for me, I find that like there are some really interesting situations. that like make our kids cry and that it helps to sort of analyze them and figure out what's going on and really helps me with my parenting. So with that said, I do want to know, Shanna, why is your kid crying?

Shanna

Okay, as I mentioned, we did our Halloween decorating and the girls were really into spooky things this year. And one of our spooky decorations we picked up at a Buy Nothing group event that's called Junk in the Trunk. Every month all the Buy Nothing people gather in a parking lot and open their trunks and give stuff away like a free garage sale basically. That's so fun. I wish my group did that. Yeah, it's so fun. It's awesome. We came away with so much stuff including a few spooky decorations and one of them is a I think it's intended to be like a candy bowl. It's like a white plastic bowl and it says trick or treat on it and looks like it's made out of bone or something. And then at the back of the bowl is a skeleton head basically, but with like really wild white fuzzy hair. And we set it out, and the girls are like, this is so cool.

And we put new batteries in it because it wasn't doing anything at first.

Laura

Batteries, yes. I don't have a candy bowl with batteries. Never in my life have I had a battery operated candy bowl. So this sounds very elaborate.

Shanna

I noticed a switch on the side of the skull head and a spot for batteries. So I was like, oh, the must need new batteries. So we put in new batteries and What it is is one of those motion sensor bowls where like the kid or whatever trigger treating goes to reach for the candy and then it's like, and it's supposed to startle you. So that's what it was like laughing maniacally. And they're just like cracking up. I think this thing is so funny and blah, blah, blah. And Steve comes by and he's like, oh, this is interesting. Like it looks like the mouth should move and he like moves the jaw up and down and it doesn't. We're like, oh, I don't know. I guess it just cackles. Cut to later that night after dinner, me and Cece and Steve are sitting around the table finishing dinner and Elle as she does. She has a really hard time sitting still for dinner. It's like frolicking around the house.

And she goes over to this bowl and goes past it. And all of a sudden it goes, yeah! And the eyes start fucking bulging out of its head and the jaw goes cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cl And then Cece heard that and she goes, and they are screaming.

Elle runs away from the bowl, just like dives into Steve's arms, huddled on the floor, like almost hyperventilating, like sobbing. And Cece, I don't even think she saw the bowl, honestly. I think she just was reacting to the emotion. And so she's like hyperventilating. Just like freaking out. Let me send you a video of the bowl so you can see what I'm talking about. Yeah, I need some context here.

Laura

Okay, first of all, this is way scarier than I anticipated. I was envisioning a kind of cutesy bowl with like a cutesy skeleton. This is like googly, like the bloodshot eyes. Okay.

Oh my God.

It's wild, right? Yeah. That is too funny. Oh my gosh.

Shanna

So these poor girls are terrified of this bowl. And I feel so bad, you know, because they didn't know it was going to do that. It's an old hand me down, right? It wasn't functioning properly, obviously. When we set it out and they kind of fell in love with it and thought it was spooky and scary. And then it did this thing out of the blue. Steve was like, oh, I must have loosened up the job when I did that to it. And she was like, why did you do that? He's like, well, that's how it's supposed to work. I didn't know. And she's like, it's your fault. I mean, they cried so hard for probably 30 minutes.

I know. And then they could not stop talking about it. Of course, this was after dinner before bed. Yeah, getting them all riled up. Could not stop talking about it. They're like, no more spooky stuff. They made us put all the spooky decorations away in the garage. So now we only have cute stuff up. I was like, I am not going to be able to close my eyes tonight. There's no way I'm going to sleep. And she's been sleeping with her light on ever since. Wow. And yeah, it was a huge, huge emotional ordeal.

Laura

Just don't give her a mirror on Halloween because if she sees herself, she's going to be... At least no bloodshot eyes will be bulging out of that. Yeah. Okay. So that is a legitimately scary bowl. I can understand her fear and I'm sure her body was like, flooded with adrenaline, you know, and that explains a lot of it. But gosh, I hope it doesn't create some kind of phobia for her.

Shanna

I hope not too. The next day, she was like, I don't know. I don't know if I'm that scared of it anymore. But she hasn't asked for it to come back into the house. So we'll see. I hope it doesn't either. She still loves looking at decorations at other people's houses, you know, when we drive by. decoration alert, decoration alert. And they love looking at stuff. So hopefully, hopefully they're not scarred for life.

Laura

Well, something's got to scars for life, right?

Shanna

Might as well be a creepy bowl.

So yeah, I don't know that there's a lot of like deep analysis there because it's pretty obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Why they were crying.

Laura

What's interesting to me is Cece crying in that situation. Yeah. Because it's 100% just feeding off of her sister's energy, which is something that I see happen more and more in our house, you know, that Sebastian will feed off of Augie's energy. And it kind of pisses me off sometimes because Augie, he's like full three-nager right now. You know like and so he gets in these moody kicks or he just doesn't want to do anything And then I see Sebastian like copying him basically wanting to be just like him and I'm like no no I don't want this contagious mood to take over the house like everyone snap out of it

Shanna

Yeah, that's so hard.

Laura

But they're so empathetic, you know, especially with their siblings. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, I'm sorry you've lost spooky things.

Shanna

Yeah, me too. I mean, because I like the spooky things too. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see if we can get it back in the house before Halloween. Okay. What's your first why is my kid crying?

Laura

Okay. Mine is with Sebastian. All right. So as we know, Augie is a picky eater. I've gone over this a million times, right? Like we're working on it. Things might be looking up a little bit, but you know, we're still just trying to like have a no pressure, casual feeling around me all times, right? And part of this is being okay with them like exploring their food through play. So this is something that I've kind of had to relearn for myself because I was definitely taught like don't play with your food right like don't push it around the plate don't you know make mountains out of your.

mashed potatoes right like all that stuff but from what I've read and all this like you know I've been doing all this research on picky eating and Trying to like help raise more intuitive eaters and it sounds like play is actually a good thing for kids to do with food because it like helps them learn how to interact with it and Babies especially you know they need to be able to like touch and feel and like see how their food moves before they can trust putting it in their mouth so right that makes sense and Yeah, it makes total sense to me now. It's just taken some reprogramming, right? So with this in mind, I served penne pasta recently. for dinner. And one of our things now is we do everything family style to try to encourage Augie to eat things. And so there was a big bowl of it in the middle and Sebastian was like indicating he wanted it. So I gave him some.

And as we were like eating, I noticed Sebastian wasn't really that interested. And Augie was like not that interested in the penne, but he kind of was looking at it. And so I was like, oh, do you want to see something cool you can do with penne? And I took some. And for people who maybe aren't as familiar with the pasta shapes, Penne are those tubes. They're like little little pasta tubes just big enough to stick your like pinky finger through basically. And so I showed him, look, you can put this on the end of your fingers and then eat it off. You know, and just trying to show him this funny thing to do. And Aki was half interested in that. He wasn't really buying it, right? But Sebastian thought it was super fun and super cool. So I was helping him put the penne on each of his little chubby toddler fingers and helping him eat them off.

But the reason that my toddler is crying is because he bit down on his penne finger really hard. Oh, buddy. He bit his own finger really, really hard and lost it at dinner because the poor guy, he didn't know. He wasn't really realizing his finger was still in there. Right. And I've been bitten by him many times and that shit hurts. So I know that he really got himself. The sadness on his little face. Oh my gosh. I felt so bad. I was like, oh honey. He's like, mama betrayed me. She set me up for pain. I know. And then I'm like, oh great. Like this is not the association I want. Like great. I wanted fun play times, not like sobbing.

Shanna

Exactly. Backfire.

Laura

Backfire. But yeah, there's not much more to the story. It's just that I kind of failed that one. But my toddler bit his own finger, and that's why he's crying. Poor guy. Did he keep eating the penne after that, or was he done? Oh, no, he kept eating it. He didn't want it on his finger. But he was definitely eating through sobs, you know? He's still a really... He eats a lot, and he eats a lot of variety of things, so he's like... top, top, top. It ain't gonna stop me. Yeah, exactly. Been there, been there.

Shanna

His fear growing up is gonna be of putting foods on his fingers. He's gonna be like the kid that's like, no, I'm not putting those black olives on my fingers, raspberries, mm-mm. Do they still make those bugles? Bugles! Those are the best things to put on your fingertips. If they don't make bugles anymore, they need to restart, because I love bugles.

Laura

Bugles, so good. They have a great texture. Anyway, we digress. We'll look into the bugles situation. But in the meantime, I do want to know another reason your child is crying.

Shanna

All right, here it goes. So oftentimes when we have some sort of birthday celebration or something around the house, we have balloons that we blow up and the girls love playing with the balloons. Elle loves to challenge herself to blow them up and tie them and they're just really into balloons. So oftentimes there are not inflated balloons hanging around the house. And one day, Elle brought them into the bathroom. And I was like, oh, you know what? This would be really fun for bath time. Let me like put water in these balloons and make really giant water balloons for you to play with in the bathtub. So there's a few of them and they're playing with them. And it's like super fun and a great time and everything. And the next day, someone else in the house found the water balloons in the bathtub. That person is Steve.

Okay.

Shanna

And he made a choice. He came into the kitchen where me and the girls were with two giant water balloons beneath his shirt as if they were giant boobs. Okay. I did not think that's what was going to happen. He saw an opportunity to tap into his high school self and pretend he had boobs and was just being jokey. And walked out and he was like, oh, hey girls, what's going on? You know, like not acknowledging that they were there. But just like, hey girls.

Elle saw that and was like, Daddy, no, no. And starts crying. He's like, get those out of there. Get those out of there. And I am like, yeah, get those out of there. Like, that's not very funny. I'm more sorry, Steve. But it was like so interesting to see how she reacted to that. Because I feel like if I'd seen my dad do just like a, you know, a dad thing like that, I'd be like, oh, Dad, you know. Yeah, yeah. Ugh. Okay, dad. But she was deeply disturbed. And I don't know. I don't know where exactly that emotion came from.

Laura

That is really interesting. Like, you know, she's so familiar with Steve as her dad and the body he's in that seeing him different, I guess, must have triggered something in her.

Shanna

Yeah. Like when you come home with a new haircut or something and your kid's like, no.

Laura

Yeah, I was going to say like, or you've had a beard for a long time and you shave, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen my dad without a mustache. If I did, that would be so weird. Yeah. Yeah. So how did Steve react to that? Did he immediately recognize the dire situation he was in or did he like continue to joke around?

Shanna

He did not continue to joke around. He immediately removed the water balloons, you know, and realized that that was not a funny thing to her, gave her the water balloons back. Yeah, I don't know. So it was just like so odd and interesting. And sorry, Steve, for like sharing this story.

Did you ever ask Elle what it was that really bothered her? No, I didn't. See, this is the learning aspect of this segment. It's like, oh yeah, I could have just asked her what was so upsetting about that. I doubt she remembers it now, but maybe I'll have Steve recreate the situation, figure the response again so I can discuss it with her. Just kidding.

Laura

Yeah. I mean, it is super fascinating to me. And yeah, you know what? I love how Elle is always like willing to express herself in that way. You know, she's like, she's very in touch with her emotions. Oh, yes. 100 percent.

Shanna

She will always tell you how she feels. Yes. All right. So that was my last one. Do you have another? Why is my kid crying for us? I do. But I thought maybe we could do it after the break. Yes, I think we should.

We are back and we're gonna wrap up our Why Is My Kid Crying segment with Laura's second Why Is My Kid Crying. Laura, tell us about your situation.

Laura

Okay, so this week we had one of Augie's little preschool friends over. It's actually a friend of his who was in his class last year, but now has moved up to an older class. He's a little bit older, about six months older than Augie, so he's already four. And he's just the sweetest kid and his mom is really, really nice. And so we had them over for like a play date for the first time. And they were just having a blast like his little friend and him were just playing with all those toys and then I said like they were getting a little wild so I was like how about we set up a crash pad and they were like yeah and so we set up the crash pad and we made a really elaborate crash pad with like every soft object we could find.

And the nugget as a slide and all this stuff right and so the kids all three of them his little friend Augie and Sebastian we're taking turns like sliding down the nugget into like the pile of pillows and stuff we had at the bottom so just having a great time right but at some point. Augie decided in his mind that there was an order of who gets to go, when, right? It was gonna be his friend, then Sebastian, then him. There was a rotating order happening. And his little friend was not aware of this because he didn't make him aware of it, right? And so I'm sitting on the couch at the top of this slide that they created. And I hear Augie go, no, no, no, I'm next, I'm next. It's me and then Sebastian, then you, right? But his little friend didn't hear him. He was having too much fun jobbing, right? And so he just went, even though Augie decided it was his turn. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, indeed.

That set him off. Like that just immediately triggered the waterworks. I mean, we'll call his little friend Max. So he was like, so Max went and then Augie just starts bawling. And he was like, Max, it wasn't your turn. It was my turn. Oh no. It's almost like a short circuit went off in his brain, you know, because he couldn't let it go. We had like a good 10-street minutes, and maybe that's exaggerating, but it's five maybe, of like, you know, full tears just pouring down his cheeks and him just repeating over and over, it was my turn, but Max went instead. Right. So I did all the things that Dr. Becky would be proud of. Janet Lansbury would be proud of. I sat with him and acknowledged his emotions. And meanwhile, Max and Sebastian are still playing, right? But he's sobbing. And I'm like, yeah, you really wanted to go next. And you thought it was your turn, but then Max went instead.

And that was really hard. blah blah blah right we all know this thing right yeah and eventually he calmed down right and at this point max had gone off to the playing room to start playing with his like transformers and stuff because he had gotten tired of listening to him cry probably and uh playing with the crash pad And things have calmed down, and so Augie calmed down and went back to the playroom and started playing again. And I'm sitting there talking to Max's mom on the couch, which is just on the other side of a big room basically. And all of a sudden she's like, wait, shh, they're talking.

They're talking.

Laura

And we're totally spying on them. And I hear Augie walk up to Max and he's like, Max, I was sad because you went first and I was next on the list. And that's why I was crying, but I'm better now.

I know and Max was like, okay. And then they went back to playing and Max's mom and I were looking each other like mouths a gate. We're like, that was incredible. He just went over, calmly explained what happened, explained why, and he was like, I can't remember the exact words he used, but he was like, and that's why I was sad and that's why I was crying, but I'm better now. Not like you need to apologize or, you know, like, No, just like a very matter of fact stating of what happened and then moving on. And I was just like, I had this moment where I was like, it's working. Yes.

Oh, this respectful parenting shit that I've had to deal with for the last three years. Like it's working.

Shanna

Oh my God, there's actual reason behind it. Yeah. Yeah, that is incredible. And it reminds me of something Janet Lansbury often says is that, Oftentimes, kids can work out things together on their own. They don't need us necessarily to come in and be like, Max, you need to apologize. And that is almost like this forced fake nicety that doesn't really teach them anything. And they just had a moment where they understood each other's feelings here and then naturally moved on. And that's amazing.

Laura

Yeah. it was just really nice to hear because there are times where you're just like, I mean, how many tantrums have you sat through acknowledging their feelings and you're just like, what? Like, all you want to do is either fix it or tell them to stop crying or whatever, you know, like your internal self wants to do something else, but you read the books and you've watched all the Instagram reels and like, you know what you're supposed to do, so you do it. And it was just such a nice concrete example of like, Okay, like it is sinking in like it's working it's he's able to articulate his feelings and yeah, like you said like you can see a scenario really easily where Augie starts crying and then Max's mom is like Max you went first you apologize to Augie. And it wouldn't have solved anything. It wasn't Max's fault. He didn't know that it was Augie's turn in his head.

Shanna

Yeah. And you could have been like, oh, Augie, let it go. It's not a big deal. Just let it go and keep playing and have fun. You should be having fun. I can see that being an option too.

Laura

Yeah, try to logic it out and be like, you didn't even tell Max, right? I could have been like, how does he supposed to know? You shouldn't be crying. So anyway, that was really a big win. And I was very happy that that happened. So I mean, I wasn't happy that he was crying, but you know, it's nice to see emotional development and maturity there.

Shanna

Yeah, I think one thing that this method teaches, I think, is to not be afraid of those emotions, to not think that, to teach our kids that they don't make them a bad person, that it's just something they're going to move in and out of. They're going to, they're in this emotion, they're going to move out of it. And to feel like not embarrassed about it, you know, it's just that's, that's what his reaction shows to me, like that he didn't feel bad about it, weird about it, shame, nothing. It's just like, Oh, this is a thing I was going through. Let me explain it to you and let's move on. Yeah. And that's really great. And Max was like, cool. Exactly. Yeah.

Laura

Cool. So, all right. That was my last, why is my kid crying? For now. I'm sure there will be more. Give it five minutes. Exactly. But in the meantime, while we're all not crying, shall we move on to our BFPs and BFNs? Oh, yes, indeed.

Shanna

We wrap up every episode with our weekly BFPs or BFNs. Laura, what do you got for us?

Laura

Okay, I have a BFP, but I'm thinking I'm just gonna send you some photos and have you try to figure out what's going on. I like a mystery. Okay, they are on their way.

Shanna

All righty, oh, little Sebastian with a giant concrete mixer truck. Oh, that seems very exciting for him. Oh my gosh, he's sitting in the truck with you. Oh, and there's Augie also in a big truck. I don't know if it's the same one and a police car and some kind of, I don't know my big trucks, but I'm gonna say a bulldozer and you'll probably correct me. It's a skid steer. Oh geez, all right. Wow, lots of big cool vehicles. My guess is that you guys bought a fleet of trucks to appease your children.

Laura

Yes. You got it right.

Shanna

Yes.

Laura

I saw it on the buy nothing group, actually. It was like, do you want this skid steer?

Shanna

Oh my god, you got them for free?

Laura

Oh, no. We do have a big yard, but not that big. No, we were informed of this really fun event by my friend Marilyn, who I've talked about a lot, friend of the podcast. We love Marilyn.

Shanna

Yes. Hi, Marilyn.

Laura

Marilyn followed the Glendale Police Department on Instagram, which I was not following until now. And they had announced that they were doing something called a touch a truck event. Which is exactly what it sounds like. They just bring a bunch of trucks into a big parking lot. And it was like a fundraiser. They had like a pancake breakfast that you could like go and get your pancakes. And it was a fundraiser for something I don't remember what. There was like raffles and stuff like that. But for the most part, otherwise it was just a big parking lot full of, I want to say like 30 different kinds of trucks. There were like four different kinds of fire trucks. The picture of Sebastian driving, he was driving a bucket truck, which might be his favorite of the truck tunes trucks.

Like he was very excited about the bucket truck and he goes up, up, up because the song is like lifting up, up, up in a bucket truck. So he saw it and he was like up, up. Augie was obsessed with sitting in this Glendale Police Department car, like SUV. They let you use the little radio mouthpiece. I don't know what you call it, like receiver.

Shanna

Oh, cool.

Laura

So he would sit there. I mean, we had to go there like five times. There was the skids here, as you saw. I have about 100 pictures. I just picked the six favorite to show you.

Shanna

God, they must have been on cloud nine.

Laura

They were. OK. So here's the thing. It was Sunday morning. It was from like nine to one. And we lived walking distance from this. Like it was about, you know, three quarters of a mile away. And at first the kids did not want to go. They were like in their PJs at home playing with their toys, watching Moana. Like they were not into it. Obviously, Sebastian doesn't really know what's what. But I was like, You guys let's get in the stroller and let's go to this touch a truck event and agi in full three major mode was like no i don't want to go and was like kind of being a real brat about. We had to coerce them into the stroller was like a whole thing and even as we were walking up agi was like. I don't want to go. I want to go home. Can I have the iPad? You know, all this shit. But then the moment we walked through the gate, everything changed, Shanna.

And he remembered that he is indeed a preschooler who still likes things that preschoolers like and he was like on cloud nine. Corey and I had to split up, of course, because they each wanted to go to different trucks. And so we're chasing them around and going from truck to truck. And oh my gosh, Sebastian got to drive, quote unquote. He got to sit behind the steering wheel of a huge ladder truck from the fire department. I mean, it was actually really cool. Even I was like, this is cool. I've never been inside these trucks before. Yeah, that would be a new experience for me. Yeah, but I felt like it was one of those moments where I'm really glad I pushed it because I was like, you know what? Who knows? Like maybe this thing won't be that cool. Who knows? Maybe there'll be like two trucks there. You know, it was unclear from the flyer that I saw on Instagram.

And I was like, maybe we should just stay in. And I was like, no, no, we do things as a family. We go places and I lugged us down there. The screens will always be there. Exactly. And they didn't want to leave. They were having the best time ever. You're like, told ya. Exactly. Listen to your mother sometimes. Exactly. But yeah, that was a really, really fun activity for Sunday.

Shanna

That sounds so fun.

Laura

So yeah, that's my BFB, a really cool truck touching event. That was free. That was within walking distance. Amazing. Yeah. But also the fact that we actually went, you know, that we sucked it up and went. Absolutely. Alrighty. So how about you? I want to know, do you have a BFP or a BFN for us?

Shanna

I have a BFP. Oh, good. Yay. The overarching BFP is that Steve's sister Leslie came into town and visited us for like nine or 10 days. I love Leslie, the girl. Yeah, you know Leslie. I know Leslie. I love Leslie. She's so nice. She's so nice and so fun. The girls really love her and Having someone in town gave us a reason to get out of the house and do stuff. And so we did quite a few really fun things. One was just going to the park, all of us, and playing on the playground. But then what we did was we brought softball equipment, like a ball and a bat and a glove. And we went into this big grassy field and we were pitching to Elle and she was hitting and I was hitting grounders and Leslie was fielding and she was fielding and CECE was doing God knows what catching bugs or something. But it was just so fun. Like it just felt like a fun family afternoon. And it was awesome.

And it feels very wholesome, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's like the kind of stuff I grew up doing. So I think that's also why to me is like, oh, yes. Another thing Leslie and I got to do is she and I went to Burke William Spa and had a spa day and we got a massage and like hung out in the hot tubs and the steam rooms. And oh my God, I haven't had a massage in like three years. It was unbelievable. Like, and just the whole experience was so relaxing and so needed for both of us. I need to do that.

Laura

Corey got me a gift certificate to a spa, not Burke Williams, but another one nearby for my birthday and haven't had a chance to use it yet. But now that Sebastian's in daycare, maybe I could go do that.

Shanna

Yes, do it, do it, do it. It's just so rejuvenating. I haven't felt so relaxed in so long. And then she and I went to happy hour afterwards. So I got a lot of good bonding time with my sister-in-law, and we got to relax and have fun. And it was just a blast. Oh, so nice. I love it. But yeah, so a wonderful week of spooky Halloween and sister-in-law in town and relaxation. And yeah, just a good week. Amazing. Yeah. But I think that's it for me and for our show, so should we wrap this thing up?

Laura

Yes, but you know, I have a five-star review to read. Ooh, give it to us. OK, this is from S. Lewis91 on Apple Podcasts. They say, I wish I found this podcast sooner. Amazing podcast, five stars. I found this podcast when I was 27 weeks pregnant, and the only problem I had with it is I wish I had started listening to it sooner. Laura and Shanna provide lots of information, advice, and laughs on my drive to work or when I'm completing household chores. It is inspirational that they make time to do this podcast while juggling two children, work, and everything else that comes with being a parent. Your hard work on this podcast is definitely appreciated and brightens my day. Well, that brightened my day, hearing that.

Shanna

My too. Thank you so much. You know, Laura, a lot of people say they wish they found our show sooner. Like, I think that we should have OBGYNs, like, slip our podcast to... People when they come in and find out they're pregnant like that first scan or something it's like here listen to this listen to this now Don't wait.

Laura

I know right like that their six-week appointment if you're lucky enough to get one that early be like look I know you don't want to tell anyone in your life yet Yes, but you can just pretend you're talking to Lauren Shanna by listening to their podcast

Shanna

Yes. Yes. This is the right strategy to get this podcast into people's ears. I think so.

Laura

All right. Well, I'll talk to my OB first.

Shanna

Yeah, exactly. All right. Well, thank you so much for sending that in. And listeners, if you haven't had a chance yet to leave us a review, could you please do us a huge favor? And head over to Apple Podcasts and leave us a five star review and say a few things that you love about the show. We super appreciate your efforts in doing that. And if you have any, why is my kid crying situations you want to share with us, please reach out. Laura, where can everyone find us?

Laura

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Shanna

Our show is produced by Laura Birek, Shanna Micko, and Steve Yager. Have a spooooky week! Happy Halloween! Bye! Forever. No, just kidding.

Laura

Just till next week.