Preparing for Your Second Baby – Ep. 135

Laura

Welcome to Big Fat Positive with Shanna and Laura. This week we have our weekly check-ins. We have our special segment, Mom Wins, where we talk about heavy lifting and terrifying trucks. And we close with our BFPs and BFMs for the week. Let's get started. Hi everyone, welcome to episode 135. Hello, Shanna. Hello. Hello. So I want to hear about your week. What's going on with you and your kiddos?

Shanna

Well, this week, as you can probably tell from my more chipper attitude, is so much better than the last couple of weeks, and I am just elated. That sounds awesome. Tell me more. Well, I think that CeCe has come out of a developmental leap or it has to be something like that, right? Because, you know, over the last couple of weeks, I've struggled with her sleep, right? She was fighting going down for bedtime, for naps. She was having what I thought was a potty training regression. She was very clingy during the day, lots of crying and whining. And, oh my god, it's so draining when they're like that, especially when it goes on and on for like more than two weeks. Yeah.

Laura

You're worried this is going to be your new normal, right?

Shanna

Yes. I was so worried it was going to be the new normal, just like I do every single time something like this happens. And then she woke up one day. She got a really good night's sleep and a good nap. And it's almost like a switch was flipped and she came out of this dark cloud and into the sunshine again. And she's been happy, very loving. Hug, hug, kiss, kiss. I love you, mama. You know, all of that sweet stuff is back. And oh my God. And she's been going down to sleep better. I will say, even during the rough patch, we had to reinstill some of the sleep training stuff that we had done a while back.

Laura

Like how so? Do you check-ins and stuff or?

Shanna

Yep. When I talked about sleep regression in a previous episode, I mentioned how having her door open and available to the world was kind of too much for a toddler. I got that info from Janet Lansbury and Lisa Sunbury. And so I was like, well, we're just going to close her door. She doesn't know how to open doors yet. I took that little muffler thing off and so she can't get out of her room. So that was the first step. And second was laying her down in bed, even if she was rejecting it, you know, and doing the ride, talking to her and leaving, like trying to give her confidence. You're fine. You're safe. We're going to go through with this. Mommy, daddy's going to leave. And so we'd leave and she would come running to the door pounding mommy. Daddy, where are you? Daddy, where are you? Crying, crying. And I was like, check on you in five minutes, right?

Laura

Were you terrified to pick her up and put her back into bed? Because I would be like, maybe we should just let her sleep there.

Shanna

Yes, I was terrified, except that I knew we'd tried once leaving her there. And that's even worse, right? Because then she wakes up at midnight and blah, blah, blah. Why the hell am I on the floor? Yeah, exactly. What's going on? Oh, so I tiptoe in and like carefully pick her up and she's like, yeah. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And like almost drop her like a package in her bed and cover with a blanket and get out of there. But it's good. She's kind of in a deep sleep at that point. So it's kind of OK. Yeah.

Laura

I have to say I had to go in to what was it? Oh, I had left my cell phone in the in the toddler room. Yes, I know it's terrible, right? I left my phone in there and I realized it like 30 minutes after he'd fallen asleep once recently. I was like, shit, I have to go in there because it was face up, so I'll get notifications. It'll be buzzing. And I wanted my phone, obviously. So I was just like, I'm going in. I'm going to do it. And Cory was like, this is on you. If he wakes up, I'm not dealing with this. I'm like, that's fine. It was my fault. And I went in and he was out like toast. I probably could have gone in, turned the lights on, looked for it. Thankfully, I knew exactly where it was, but he had no idea I was in there. Yeah. That is the beauty of the deep sleep phase. So that's great that she's starting to get more rest.

Shanna

Yes. And that helps with all the other stuff too. You know, I was losing my mind with the potty training because It was so hard and like I would have to just kind of be on her all the time and she was fighting the potty breaks and I was trying to bribe her and it just felt like this big battle. And one point Steve and I had a conversation in the evening we're like you know what. Maybe she's just not ready for this. And let's just go back to pull-ups. And she'll be ready when she's ready. And we're like, OK, we're going to do it tomorrow. And the next day, she was in a much better mood. And I'll cross my mind to ask her, because just putting her in something, she's old enough to understand what's going on. So I said, Cece, I'm going to put you in a pull-up today. Do you want me to put you in a pull-up?

Laura

That's very nice to hear. I'm glad to hear it.

Shanna

Yeah. Yeah. And then just one cute little thing to add. She's so funny. I don't know if you're guys like this, but Cece is so cute. keenly aware of her boo-boos. Like, she has got them memorized on her body like a star chart. You know, she'll know where the boo-boo on her knees, where the boo-boo on her toe, and she knows where all my boo-boos are. Like, she'll grab my foot and look at my toe and be like, boo-boo, boo-boo, boo-boo, and ask for bandages. You know, she doesn't say bandage. She says, bandage. She's like, bandage, bandage for every boo-boo. And it just cracks me up how in tune she is to boo-boos.

Laura

Yeah, my guy, we call them ouchies, and he's the same. It's like... Ouchie knee ouchie knee ouchie in the good and like i mean for weeks you know after like a little me will be all better and be like me ouchie like no no your knees all better and then Corey has these. He has messed up toenails. He plays tennis and I look, it's just a thing. I'm not going to get into too many details because he thinks it's normal, but it's not. And they're messed up and they get bruised. And so we do the thing that you told us to do, which is he sits in the bath on a step stool when he bathes the toddler. And so he has bare feet. And so every night in the freaking bath, My toddler like points at his discolored toes and he's like, ouchie daddy ouchie. He's like, it's okay. It's fine. It's normal.

Shanna

And I'm like, it's not kid. It's not normal. That's so funny. It reminds me of how CeCe has been recently looking at my face and going boo boo boo boo like up towards my forehead. And I'm like, I don't have a boo boo there. I don't think so. She's like boo boo boo boo. And then I realized she does it to me on the days I wear makeup. You know, like I'll fill in my eyebrows or whatever. And I'm like, that's when she says it. And she thinks like my face is full of booboo because I'm wearing dark, you know, eyeshadow or whatever. Oh my God.

Laura

They know us so well. I mean, the other thing my toddler does is he knows all my moles. Do you have this? And he's just like, he always has a point at my moles and there's one like right on my chest this morning. He wanted a hug. I picked him up and then he like leaned over and he It's like sniff mole? Sniff mommy mole? I'm like, okay.

Shanna

Oh, that's so funny. And I'm one of those people that's kind of squeamish about moles. So I'm just like, ah, too funny. Well, that's pretty much it for us this week. I'd love to know what's going on with you guys over there.

Laura

Well, my toddler is 23 months and four weeks in that he is literally turning to tomorrow.

Shanna

They make that seem easy peasy. Yeah. Yeah. Super easy. So. Step five, get cut open, have baby taken out, get sewn up.

Laura

Then go home. Then go home. So the other thing that happened at that appointment was I got my strep B test where they do like a little vaginal swab to see if you have strep B. And if it's positive, they give you medication if you're going to have a vaginal birth. It doesn't really matter if you have a C-section apparently, but it doesn't matter because mine is negative. So that's also nice to know. And then the real bummer of this week was that I found out that the policy at my hospital has changed because of the surge of COVID cases recently. I was gonna ask you about that. What is it now? Yeah, so it was, you know, a month ago that they would allow one visitor at a time and if they left, they could come back. So Cory could have come back home to take care of the toddler and then come back to see me and help. Now that is not the case.

Shanna

And not another person can come and take their place. Correct. Yeah.

Laura

So it looks like I might be on my own. in the hospital after I give birth, which is a little scary, I have to say. We have to make a decision between leaving my toddler with my mom for a couple days, which, A, I don't know if she can really handle that long with him by herself, and B, he's never been away from us ever. So it's tricky.

Shanna

Well, let's say you have the C-section. It's so early in the morning. You would have that baby by 8 AM. Theoretically, Corey could stay with you for several hours and then go home. That could be better. Is that something you guys are considering?

Laura

Yes. That is what I'm envisioning happening. So we go. We have it super early. He gets to stay all day basically right up until dinner time for the toddler. So, you know, he gets to stick around and make sure my feelings coming back in my feet and I'm, you know, that there's nothing going wrong. You know, I feel like by four o'clock in the afternoon that day, you have a pretty good sense of what's going on. I did last time, I feel like, I mean, and this time, you know, I at least know how to rest feet and how to just how to take care of a newborn. So yeah, I think that's what we're going to do is he's going to stay that day all day and then go home for like bedtime routine.

Shanna

Right. Of course you know a wrench could be thrown in everything if you go into labor at three p.m.

Laura

I mean I know that toddler of yours is gonna be all grandma is gonna be all grandma so I was thinking I need to like write up his routine for her I need to like make sure everything's okay and ready to go and. But that actually leads me into what I was going to talk about with the toddler, which is that we're starting to try to prepare him mentally and emotionally for the baby coming a little bit more than we have been. I mean, we've been talking about it for a long time. I think ever since I kind of got the nipped back and it was that the chromosomes looked okay and it looked like it was a viable pregnancy and all that stuff, we started talking to him about it, how baby brother's coming and How baby brother is, you know, we're just trying to like make it a normal thing. But this week, I really started ramping it up because I realized it's like it's coming.

Shanna

Much better than springing it on him. That's right. Yeah.

Laura

What did you do with Elle when CeCe was born? Because you and Steve were in the hospital together for a couple of days, right?

Shanna

Yeah, we were together in the hospital for three or four days and we had both grandmas watch out. So my mom was here and Steve's mom was here and she was very, very used to them. It was, you know, she'd had nights away from us before. Steve's mom lives with us part of the year. Nana spent the night so many times. So it was not uncomfortable for her. It was a complete adventure. And she loved it. That's nice. Yeah.

Laura

Well, if we weren't in the stupid COVID thing, I would have like planned something like I would have planned some nights away to prep him. I would have sent him off to grandma's house for the night, you know, that sort of thing. But now it's not really an option. So that kind of screwed over our big plans to prepare him. So we'll see. Well, I think your plan is really great, and I hope it all goes accordingly. Thanks. Yeah, so that's about it for us this week. Just kind of, we're ramping up. Yes. Getting to that finish line. Getting there. So exciting. So do you want to take a quick break and then come back with our special segment? Let's do it.

Shanna

We're back and this week we have our special segment, Mom Wins, where we talk about things we've done recently that are definitely going down in the history books as wins on our part. Laura, I wanna hear your story. What do you got?

Laura

Okay, I have got a story for you. This happened a couple of weeks ago. So I have joined this Facebook group that it's not a buy nothing group, it's like a buy sell trade group. But it's a very active group where they do things called purges. Have I talked to you about this? No, what's that? It's awesome in that it's a parents group where basically all the sales are what they call purges, which is just huge dumps of multiple items. So they say, I'm doing a purge at 6 PM today. It's going to be like toddler stuff, women's clothing, and housewares. And then when it starts, it's first come, first serve, it's like flash sale. What they do is in the comments, they post a photo and the price. And if you want it, you just say me. Like, and it's the, you know, people snatch things up really fast. And it's a way it's basically like online thrifting in a weird way, you know.

Shanna

Oh god.

Laura

And I was just like fuck. You know, because I'm like sitting there. I'm like, I don't have shoes on. Luckily it's away from my toddler, you know, but it's like crawling around the kitchen and it's heading towards like the crevices. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. So I'm like, okay, get your shit together. You're the only one home. Let's get this done. So I go and it crawls. So we have like our recycling, we have, you know, trash can for a regular trash. And then we have a recycling trash in another side of the kitchen. And it's always too small. So I have like, flattened boxes piled on top of it and cans. You know, like there's all this detritus around because we need to take it out. And there was a flattened Cheerios box like on the floor flat, right? And this spider scurry straight to it. I was like, fuck. So the spider scurries underneath the Cheerios thing.

Shanna

Unrecognizable. Yes.

Laura

But it definitely freaked me out. And so this is all happening. Meanwhile, I have my AirPods in my ears and I'm listening about like the different like Montessori versus Waldorf and which is a better fit for my child or whatever.

Shanna

So was this on camera?

Laura

Thank God, no. Can you imagine? My computer was facing the other way. I kind of wish it had been, and obviously I was on mute on my Zoom, but I had to disappear from the Zoom for a bit. And then, and of course, my toddler is looking at me like, what is wrong with you? Where's my dump truck?

Shanna

Yeah, like why is mommy throwing my dump truck across the room and smashing things? And also, like, where's my snack?

Laura

Oh, my God. So yeah. So the rest of the day, I swear, I had intermittent full body chills. from that situation. I don't know if it's because because I'm not usually that phobic of spiders, but maybe there's something about like the protective factor because I kept thinking about like, oh, my God, my little toddler was playing with this toy like very intensely with his face right up next to it for like a half an hour. Yeah, there was this big spider inside of Let's see, I just got the chills. I literally just got the chills. I don't know if it's that or being pregnant. I was just in full protective mode and I was just not cool with it. Not cool.

Shanna

Well, listen, I am not pregnant and I would flip out if I saw a spider that big in the house. it caught you off guard, too. If you thought it was dead and then all of a sudden it was like, surprise, bitch, and like, you know, like jumped out, that is startling to anybody. And to have to smash such a fat little motherfucker, I mean, that is like a big crunch. That is a huge, huge win in your book.

Laura

Thank you. Thank you. So I feel like, yes, it's a mom win. Yeah. Sorry, spider. Sorry, habitat, but I protected my children and myself. Yes, you did. Yay, Laura. And I've learned my lesson about leaving toys on my porch.

Shanna

Yeah, I will say Steve is really cognizant of spiders and toys. Like he always wants to like wipe down toys that have been sitting outside that the girls haven't used in a while, you know, little push cars and stuff. And he's like, oh, there could be spiders in there. And I'm just like, didn't even cross my mind. Like he is the superior parent when it comes to that stuff.

Laura

I grew up in Fresno where there's a ton of black widows, so I'm always, like, skieved out by anything that has compartments that have been left outside, you know, hiding spaces. But yeah, but this, it just didn't occur to me. I was like, oh, it's been in a bag. It's fine. Oh, it was even in a bag. That's a sneaky spider. Yeah. Well, it was a paper bag. You know, it was like a shopping bag. Oh, okay. Yeah. It wasn't a hermetically sealed bag. That would be a very sneaky spider. Very, very much. But anyway, that was my mom win. That's what I'm patting myself on the back for. I applaud you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Alright, I want to hear about your mom win.

Shanna

So my mom win also has something to do with an item I got from a mom and a Facebook group.

Laura

Mom's in Facebook, man. I used to think like, oh, maybe I should delete Facebook. I don't know if I'm getting that much value from it. And then I became a mom and I was like, oh, this is what Facebook is for. I get it now.

Shanna

Yes, right? It's brilliant. It's connected me with so many moms, and I've just received so many things. It's great. So tell me about this item. What happened? So I saw posted someone was giving away a sandbox. And yeah, someone tagged me in it. Another friend of mine tagged me to alert me to this because it had just been posted. And I happened to see it right away. And it was like a really nice looking sandbox. You know, some of them are kind of small and whatever. This just looked big and really nice with kind of like wood panels all around. It was in the shape of a hexagon. So it was really large. And I thought, well, I think we need that for our yard. So I put my name in right away. And now listen, I am not a sand person. If you've listened to this podcast, you probably know that about me. I actually freaking hate sand. You're anti sand. I'm anti sand. It drives me nuts.

Laura

And that's always the goal. It's always the goal. Exactly.

Shanna

Independent play. Independent play. So I just dove right in. I'm like, digging with this dustpan, filling up these bags. And very quickly, I realized that these bags are just so thin, and I'm filling them way too much. Each bag is weighing like 50 pounds. I'm just like, you got to fill these like lighter. And I'm like, OK. And they're ripping and sand is going everywhere.

Laura

More.

Shanna

Isn't a ton 2,000 pounds? Yes, it's more than a ton. And let me say this, Steve had the regular shovel, right? And he did one bag full and like his back hurt or something. He was like, you know what? Maybe I should just be the loader. I'm like, so I'm going to dig all this sand. He's like, I really think that's the best plan.

Laura

Oh my god, so you've got like thwacking, you've got sawing. What kind of torture is going on behind your house?

Shanna

Right? I felt like that movie, The Suburbs, is that what it was with Tom Hanks? It's an old movie. The neighbors are burying, burying dead people or something. So I'm just being observed throughout this whole thing. We finally, finally get it set up after hauling 2,500 pounds of sand from their house and then from our car into our backyard. You guys got a workout. Yes, we got such a workout. The both of us were so sore. our bodies were aching after this. So we set it up. We set it up as a rectangle in our yard because it fit better and put all the sand in. And I was just imagining Elle's reaction. Like it was just going to be over the moon. So excited. I didn't want her to see it until we were all done. And we were doing this while she was watching TV during nap time. And I'm like, perfect. Let's go, go, go. And then she comes out and is like, what's that? And I'm like,

Laura

I was pissed.

Shanna

I'm like, Steve. Do you know what I did for this? You know what I did. Oh my God. And meanwhile, her grandma's reacting like, oh my God, it's amazing. Look at this. Look at this, which always seems to temper the kid's reaction even more. So Elle's just like, Whatever, shimmer and shine is on. So we've finished this thing up and Cece comes out to see it and you know her. She's like so hesitant about anything new so she won't even step a toe into it.

Shanna

So I'm making this seem like it's a mom fail, right? It felt that way for a minute. But once the TV was off, Elle came out and started playing in it and she loved it. She played independently in it for so long. And she said to Steve, I don't just like this. I love this sandbox.

Laura

Yay.

Shanna

And the other day I said, what's your favorite toy in our backyard? And she said, the sandbox. Oh, good. Yay. Thank God. And Cece has gotten over her fear of it and totally plays in there now, too. Oh, good. OK.

Laura

shoveling and transporting a ton of sand needed to have a good payoff.

Shanna

It really did. And you know, if I were to give advice to anyone on sandboxes, my advice would be just get a little sandbox. You know, this sandbox is ginormous and they play in like one corner of it. So, Yeah. Yeah. It was a mom win just because I did it. I succeeded. I stuck with it and finished the project. And the girls do love it. So yay me.

Laura

Could you convert like half of it into a raised garden bed?

Shanna

I could, but then I would have to dig out half a ton of the sand and put that somewhere else.

Laura

That sandbox is never leaving. The kids are going to be teenagers and you're like, look, kids, figure out what to do with the sandbox.

Shanna

Yeah. Go do something with it. Unless another mom in the group decides she wants to haul out the 2,500 pounds of sand by hand.

Laura

I feel like as a good citizen, you would have to explain to people what they were getting themselves into. Because it's a bit misleading to be like, who wants a free sandbox? Oh, by the way, it's just two days. of hard manual labor.

Shanna

Yeah, yeah. It really, I was not aware that that was the situation whatsoever. In a way, I felt like I was doing that mom of service too, right? So there's a mom on my part helping out another mom.

Laura

Yeah, that's right. You absolutely did do them a service because they would have had to pay someone to take that away.

Shanna

Yeah.

Laura

Yeah.

Shanna

Double mom win. Yay. Well, that's it for me. Should we take a break and come back with our BFPs and BFNs? Yeah, let's.

Laura

And we are back, so we close every episode with a Big Fat Positive or a big fat negative of the week. Shanna, do you have a BFP or a BFN for us?

Shanna

I have a BFN this week. Now I don't think this is gonna be the most fun topic to talk about, but I just got to put it out there that I... I have received the last two billion cycles from our utility company, the most astronomical charge for our electricity, water, and sewer and trash, I guess. It's so expensive that I'm like almost shocked. Like I'm literally taken aback by how expensive it is. And I need to know if it's normal or what. Okay.

Laura

So what's going on?

Shanna

Well, my bill, for people who don't live in Los Angeles, we have a utility company called LADWP, L.A. Department of Water and Power, and they bill every two months, right? And it's already expensive when you own a house. It's kind of like one of those gut punches when you buy a house. You're like, oh, there's a lot of electricity and water that goes into owning a house. But the last two cycles, our bill has been $1,300. Wow. And I just feel like that's very expensive. And I want to know, is yours super expensive and what could I do to fix that? Well, a couple of questions.

Laura

Is your heating electric or gas? Oh, I don't know. You know what? I think it's electric. So that could be a change, right? Because you might be heating your house more because it's been chilly. Chilly as everyone in them who doesn't live in Southern California rolls their eyes at us. I know, I know. So we are Pasadena, water and power. But I did notice that my last cycle was very high, too. Mine spiked this last time, too. Mine was $1,700. Oh, my God. And here I am complaining. And the previous one was less than $800. But there was some kind of, oh, actually, maybe I forgot to pay it. Actually, that might be why.

Shanna

So it's a double one.

Laura

Yeah, maybe that was a double one because the last one I have is August 15th. So maybe that's why. But still, it's not it's it's not cheap. I will say we have gas heating, but we were running the AC nonstop through like October because you remember like all those fires. I mean, oh, yes, hot AF. So we are running the AC nonstop because you couldn't open the windows because of the fires. And also, I think at the end of the year, I don't have my statement handy because the city of Pasadena doesn't let you download those. Get on it, city of Pasadena. But I think they assess extra fees and stuff a lot of times at the end of the year. So I don't know. But yeah. My house is smaller than your house, too. So that would make sense why mine is sort of, on average, a little lower than yours.

Shanna

Yeah, ours is usually about that, especially during the summertime, right? It's higher. And I'm wondering if because we're all home, you know, all the time.

Laura

Yeah, you're home all day. You're all home all day. You're using a lot of electricity. I wish we could use less. I try to be better about turning lights off and stuff. But honestly, we have these super efficient light bulbs. So I don't think lights are the thing. I think it's like the TV, the air conditioning. Yes. that's pretty much it and then just living your life so yeah.

Shanna

And I will say just tying this into parenting I think that we run the AC and the heat or more because we have kids like there's this fear I have that if the temperature isn't in the right zone the kids are going to be uncomfortable they won't be able to sleep they'll wake up in the middle of the night and there's this whole kind of dance we play with this stuff whereas Before I had kids, I was like, I don't care really if I'm too hot. It's not a big deal. Yeah.

Laura

Well, because when you have an infant, it is actually important to keep the temperature right because that can contribute to SIDS, right? So you're like paranoid about that. And then you just get into the habit where you're like, well, they're a good sleeper. I can't change one thing. I'm the exact same way. Like, yeah. We have a very specific window of what's okay between heat and cool. But yeah, that sucks. I do think that for me, the cost, it sucks obviously, but it's built into our budget because we just know that's where it's going to be. But I feel guilty because they send you these charts about how much you use versus your neighbors. They do. Do you get those? No. In Pasadena they do. Whoa, so how do you guys compare? Oh, we're awful. It's awful. I'm dying to know. I used to be able to justify it by being like, well, we work from home, so we're always home.

Shanna

Oh yeah, everyone's home now all the time.

Laura

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I share this BFN with you. I'm sorry.

Shanna

Well, that's thank you. I appreciate it. Well, what about you? What do you have for us this week? I have a BFP.

Laura

Yay. It is like other end of the spectrum. I don't know what my BFP are these specific socks that I found for my toddler. Oh, okay. Maybe they're related because they can help keep your kids warm. Yes, I need to know. You don't have to run the heater so much. Exactly. They're called grip joy, little grippers socks. Have you heard of these? No. So I was looking for new socks for my toddler because I realized our sock situation with him is terrible. The other day, Corey was trying to shove him into socks and he's like, oh, these are too small for you. And I looked on the bottom and it said like zero to six months on them.

Shanna

Yeah. Do they work inside shoes too? Yeah.

Laura

So we just use them inside the shoe. And actually I do think it also gives him a little bit more balance in the shoe because he doesn't slip around the shoe, right?

Shanna

True.

Laura

Some traction. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I remember I used to wear grip socks all the time because of like Pilates. I would go to Pilates all the time. Those were the days.

Shanna

Oh, the days.

Laura

And so I would just start, I would just wear the grip shoes inside my regular shoes because who wants to have different socks to change out of, right?

Shanna

Uh-huh.

Laura

And I did notice that you get like your shoes don't slip around, you know, you have more traction when you're in the shoe.

Shanna

So do you feel like you're stepping on a bunch of little V's?

Laura

I don't know about him. He doesn't seem to be bothered by it. Good. They're not. I think because they're so even across the soul, it's not like it doesn't give you that like it doesn't make it uncomfortable. You know, because even across the soul. So that's just the soul.

Shanna

It's not like there's a lot of space between them I see that makes sense now does your toddler tolerate wearing socks in the house because my girls No, no, it's a no-go. They are always barefoot no matter the temperature Yeah, he seems to be okay with it.

Laura

I mean he actually part of the reason I wanted these was He never really minds if he's wearing socks, but I freak out because we have a really slippery floor. Yeah. And he slips all the time in the socks, even though I had gotten other ones with little dots of grip on the bottom didn't work. I see. This is good because here's what he doesn't tolerate. He doesn't tolerate us spending a lot of time getting him back into indoor shape when we come in from the outdoors. So we'll come in. get him out of his jacket, get him out of his shoes. And a lot of times he's just like, play toys and he squirms out of our arms. So that's why the socks end up staying on a lot of times.

Shanna

Oh, I see. I see. OK. Yeah. Well, that's cool. That sounds like a really great product.

Laura

Yeah, Gripjoy Lil Grippers, L-I-L apostrophe.

Shanna

All right.

Laura

Lil Grippers.

Shanna

Check those out. That's it for me. It sounds like that's it for a show, too, for this week. Yes, yes, it does. Listeners, we want to know your mom wins. If you have any, please share them with us. Laura, where can they reach us?

Laura

We're on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook at BFP Podcast. We have a website, BigBatPositivePodcast.com. You can reach us by email, and you can also include a voice memo in that email to contact at BigBatPositivePodcast.com. And finally, you can join our Facebook community group. It's a private group. Just search Big Fat Positive Community. Please answer the two membership questions, and we will send you right through to the most supportive and amazing community of people who are trying to conceive, new moms, and, you know, more established moms like us. Can I count as an established mom now that my kids almost two? I think so. Absolutely.

Shanna

You've got the experience. Nice. If you haven't yet, please rate and review our show wherever you listen to podcasts and spread the word. Let your friends know about BFP. Our show is produced by Laura Birek, Shanna Micko, and Steve Yager. Thank you for listening everyone. Bye. Bye.