Listener Q&A: Baby Names, Mom Guilt and Breastfeeding Tips

Laura

Hi, welcome to Big Fat Positive with Shanna and Laura. This is a special bonus episode of Check in the Inbox Overflow. Our inbox was overflowing with questions from you all, so we had to do this special bonus episode so we could answer more questions. We love answering your questions, but they didn't fit into our episode where we did Check in the Inbox.

Shanna

That's right. Here we are. Yes, we love answering your questions and wanted to get to as many as possible. So Laura, why don't we just jump right in? What is our first question?

Laura

OK, so this one actually doesn't apply to me, so I'm going to ask it for you. Oh, OK. The question is from someone named Laura. I didn't ask this one, I promise. She asks, can you share a list of names you each considered for your kids but didn't choose? And obviously I can't answer this because all of mine are still in play because I'm having another boy. So I can't answer this question. I'm sorry.

Shanna

Well, did you ever have any, before you knew it was a boy, were you ever throwing around any girls' names just on the off chance?

Laura

Not really because we found out so early with both of them. We did the the Nip at like nine weeks. So, you know, and before you get that, you know, you're still in your first trimester. I don't know about other people. I'm like, trying to be realistic and worried about miscarriage and all that stuff. So I wasn't about to even start thinking of names at that point. So yeah, no, I have no girl lists.

Shanna

Very interesting. I have to say, I'm such a name nerd. I was the person that like the entire time I was even trying to conceive like the names thing got me so excited. I would visit all the name sites and like make lists and I had boys names and girls names and I was just like, oh, I can't wait to have a baby and name it. And then like as soon as of course I had a real baby to name. It became very, very difficult. Okay, but do you have a leftover list? I do, and I will share it with you. I have to navigate to nameberry.com, which is where I really collected my list of names. It's a very fun site. Oh yeah, I love Nameberry. That's where I did most of my name research. I really like it, and you can make lists of your favorites and heart names that you like, et cetera. So, oh, I feel nervous. Like this is such personal information, Laura. I don't think I've ever shared this with anybody.

Laura

I've never actually heard it either because we didn't learn your kid, you know, obviously our listeners don't know our kids' real names, but like I didn't know the names you picked until after they were born.

Shanna

Yeah, that's true. Well, I will tell you that the top contender, this was a possibility for both of my girls. So we went into the hospital with two names for my first for L and two names for the second CECE. And that name was Isla. I really, really love that name. The one that's spelled I-S-L-A. I know it's also spelled other ways, but I just, I love that name. I think it sounds so pretty. And I had some great middle names to go with it, but I'm not going to share the middle name combo I had because that middle name actually ended up being CeCe's first name.

Laura

Oh, interesting, interesting. Okay.

Shanna

Yes, yes. So Ayla, I really love that. But here are some others that I see on my list. This is in no particular order because I don't remember how much I loved them at the time. I really like Juniper. I thought that was a really cute name. I love that name. Yeah, I like Juniper. It's so cute. But it was hard for me to pick that one because our last name starts with ER. So Sean and Mike goes my maiden name, but my married last name is Yager.

Laura

So, Juniper Yager, I'm very... Yeah, I guess that I can say that there was a name I liked that I can't use, and that's Everett, because my husband's last name is Evett. So, it would be Everett Evett, and that just doesn't work. Just doesn't work, guys. No, that wouldn't work. That wouldn't work.

Shanna

Another one I liked for a long time was Emmeline. E-M-M-E-L-I-N-E. It's like kind of like Emily, but a little bit different. I thought that was really cute. Another one I had on my list, which didn't show up on a lot of name lists. I don't know if I made it up or what. VN, V-I-E-N-N-E. I thought that would have been pretty. I liked Simone. That was on my list. And I have a whole bunch. I don't want to read all of them. I don't want to put anyone to sleep.

Laura

Let's hear two more.

Shanna

Okay, two more. Scarlet, I really like Scarlet. I like names that are colors because I'm so obsessed with colors and bright colors. I really, really liked that one. That one got nixed by Steve. Actually, almost all of these got nixed by Steve.

Laura

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, you still got embryos. I do. Little Scarlet. Oh, my God. Although, aren't they almost all boys? Yeah, yeah, that's true. There's only one girl. I can pass my list on to you if you decide to thaw those out.

Shanna

OK. Yeah, yeah, please do. Thank you. All right, good. That was a fun one. That is fun. All right, Laura, next question. This one's for you. This is from Allison. She says, this one's for Laura. Are you going to rent a SNU again for the new baby? I'm trying to decide if it's worth it.

Laura

Ooh, good question. For those of you who don't remember or don't know, the SNU is this special, fancy, pretty expensive robotic crib. I'm really selling it. It's a bassinet. Yes. Sorry. A smart bassinet that shimmies and plays white noise. And if your baby starts crying, it shimmies faster and it tries to soothe your baby back to sleep. It was created by Harvey Karp, who is the author, pediatrician and author of the happiest baby on the block and we both had it for our you had it for cece and i had it for my now toddler and freaking love the thing it saved my life so but to answer your question no i'm not gonna rent it what because i already bought one.

Shanna

Yes. Good, good, good, good. How exciting. So you would tell Allison that it's worth it and then maybe she should go for it.

Laura

Yeah. I mean, I thought it was absolutely worth it for me. I do think that if you are a first-time mom, maybe renting it is not a bad idea because it doesn't work for all babies. So it's a much lower bar to rent it for one month. as opposed to and then realize it doesn't work for your kid or whatever or you just don't like it or you end up bed sharing or whatever it ends up happening. But for me, I'm pretty certain that I'm going to stick with it. So yeah, for sure. I love it. Awesome. Okay. This is a question for you, Shanna. This is from Megan. She asks if you have any best tips for going from one to two kids. Maybe I did write, did I write this one in and pretend to be Megan? because you want to know all the tips.

Shanna

Oh, gosh. Let's see. Oh, that is a very good question. I've really got to put myself back a couple years into when I was in that particular situation. And in hindsight, I would say one tip is to really get your partner, if you have one, get your partner on board with how you guys are going to kind of tag team this big change, because obviously there's so much. in the beginning that's going to be extremely overwhelming, you know, taking care of the newborn, the nursing, if you're nursing, being up with the baby all night, what to do with the older child, et cetera. And because you have the experience of having had one child, you might already have an idea of where and when you might need that help. So I think that you can really even make a game plan, even if it's going to be

Laura

Those are good tips so like pre plan.

Shanna

Yeah pre plan if you can and I think that another tip would be to have confidence that your older child will be able to weather this change. Think that's big sticking point for some parents they're really worried of how it's going to change the older child. how it's going to change your relationship with the older child. And having been through it, it's like, yes, it's something that they have to weather and you do that with them, but they come out fine, at least in my experience. They can do it. They're resilient enough to do it. And so expect that it's going to be a positive experience and that they can handle it. And even if it's tough, they'll make it through and they'll grow from that experience, even if they're really young.

Laura

Those are great tips. And yeah, I need to implement them. It's good to hear too, because I am really worried about how my guy is going to take it, you know, because we have such a great relationship. And I feel like he's very, you know, he has his tantrums and stuff. But like so far, we're doing so well with like the emotional, you know, availability and and just like a, you know, a good kid. And I'm worried that he's going to, you know, rebel and he's going to feel left out and all that stuff. So.

Shanna

Well, that was the second part of this advice is that you can't expect it to also go super peachy all the time. I really learned that lesson that, you know, I was like, I had stars in my eyes because I brought that baby home the first day and L was like, oh, Sweet baby and was so gentle with her and it was just amazing and beautiful and I thought oh well this is gonna go perfectly and you know it's not a surprise that that kind of thing is gonna go through phases to she did experience some jealousy she was at times too rough with the baby. And it's stuff that we had to deal with and just being prepared for that and maybe even thinking ahead of time how you're going to handle it, what approach you're going to use, think about what approach you might have or what strategy you might take when you experience that situation.

Laura

We have that book too, actually, I just got it. And I really like that it shows the breastfeeding. But also for us, it's different because my guy is still nursing once a day. And so it gives us a chance to talk about how the baby is going to need first priority. Like the baby can only breastfeed. You get to eat sandwiches and apples and pizza and all this stuff. And the baby only gets boo boo time. We call it boo boo time.

Shanna

So yeah, those are my tips. I have a question for you, which is kind of along the same lines. This is from Brianna. She says, what items do you need for a second child when your oldest is a toddler? You are in this situation right now preparing a registry, I believe. So give us an insight.

Laura

Yeah, so I had to, well had to, I guess I didn't have to, but I started putting together a really small registry for a virtual sprinkle that you are organizing for me. Thank you. And yeah, it was kind of hard to figure out what to put on the registry because it was like, you have all of the big items for the most part. So I was kind of thinking along the lines of like, what's the more, what's the things that you kind of need new ones, new items of. So like, I wanted to get some more burp cloths because they get kind of gross. And, you know, I actually, I think at some point just started using the burp cloths for like washing my own face at night. I knew burp cloths. I registered for like new sets of like Pump parts because you want to replace those anyway every six months or something so the plastic could degrade and it could not work as well.

Shanna

One thing I registered for were new towels and washcloths for my baby. I don't know if you did too.

Laura

Oh, yeah. I did that too. I registered for more wipes and more diapers and more nipple cream. You know, that's like consumable stuff, the stuff that you need more of. Mm-hmm. And one thing I did just realize I needed to add was another mirror for my car so I could see the baby because both my kids are going to be rear facing still. So I need a mirror on the other side. And then one thing I got that I didn't register for but I was given as a hand me down, which is super handy is like a thing you attach to a stroller, like a little platform. that becomes like a little ride on platform for your toddler so that instead of having like a double stroller, you can have the toddler stand between you and the actual stroller on this platform and ride along, which is pretty fun. I hope it'll be fun for him.

Shanna

Such a good idea.

Laura

Yeah, and I got that from a friend as a hand me down. So yeah, that's one of the cool things I didn't think about because my toddler, he's over strollers. We don't use strollers anymore basically at all. And I know they make those also if your kids really into like biking, they make like bicycle seat ones, too, you can get. What? Oh, cool. Yeah.

Shanna

That's really cool.

Laura

But so yeah, that's what I have. I'd love to hear any additional tips because I'm forgetting like it's so long ago. But I don't you don't need much. That's what's really nice about number two. If you didn't get rid of all your stuff from number one, like just reuse it.

Shanna

Yep. It's so nice. All the swaddles, the clothes, all that stuff you can reuse. Yeah. So great. So.

Laura

Anywho, should we take a quick break and then come back with more questions? Let's do it.

Shanna

Oh, it is hard. Holy crap. I'm bringing myself back a couple years when I was breastfeeding. Cece, and I had trouble with Elle too. It was not a breeze. And I would say the number one thing that helped me was going to a lactation support group. I loved doing that. Every week at the same time I would go and there were lactation consultants there who would help. And the best thing about it was I was able to weigh CECE before and after the feeding so I could see if she was actually taking in milk. And that helped calm me down a lot because one of my struggles with breastfeeding was like, oh my God, am I even making milk? Is she getting enough? I have no idea.

Laura

Yeah, I know that the family room where I did my mommy and me classes, they have breastfeeding support groups, and I actually snuck in and used their scale once from my mommy and me class. But right now with COVID, a lot of them are virtual, so you can actually get yourself a baby scale. You can even rent them, I think, if you need to. to actually see how much they're consuming, right? Because it's so hard to know. Yes.

Shanna

It's really hard to know. And if you're not making enough, then you can work with the lactation consultant to help figure out what's going wrong. I got help from a lactation consultant on the latch of L, right? When I was first breastfeeding her, apparently she wasn't latching correctly. So it was hurting. A lot. I was in a lot of pain, and she wasn't quite getting enough milk, and we worked together and fixed that. So that was really great. And I wonder, Lord, do you think there are lactation consultants doing virtual sessions right now?

Laura

Oh, I know there are. Yeah, I know there are. The family rooms consultant, Jessica Claire, who we had on the show, she's doing virtual consults, and I'm sure there's all over. People are doing them. So yeah.

Shanna

Yeah.

Laura

I mean, you know, you have to hold your phone up probably at a weird angle, but it's better than nothing.

Shanna

Like, here's my boob. Yeah, it's totally better than nothing. Another thing that was really helpful for me was pumping, you know, occasionally so I would have milk in a bottle to give to Steve so I could take a break from nursing and just like give the baby a bottle and I'm. Just going to take a break. I know it's still like effort on your boobs and stuff, but you don't have to worry about the latch and the this and the that and everything. You just pump a little bit. Someone else gives a bottle. I really like that. And then of course it's always fine to give your baby formula. If it's just too painful, you need a break. Give a bottle a formula. It doesn't have to be pumped milk. I did that occasionally and the baby's fine. So those are my tips.

Laura

Yeah. And I had a very different journey from you. I mean, I, you know, you called me like the breastfeeding unicorn. You know, I never had supply problems. I never had pain problems. And I'm so grateful for all of that. And I'm still nursing, you know, two years later. So remains remains to be seen what happens with this new baby. But I have to say that even so it is hard because even if you don't have the physical pain or the supply problems, It's a lot of time. So much time. A lot of time. And it shouldn't be discounted. I feel like something someone told me at the beginning, I remember being like, well, you know, breastfeeding is cheaper. And she said to me, yeah, only if your time isn't valuable. And I was like, oh, yeah. You're right. Like when I was working, I was charging a lot per hour for my time.

Shanna

Yes, definitely. And commiserate with other people you know who are breastfeeding. Yeah. I had you to commiserate with, well, you weren't in the same situation, but I at least like was able to talk about it and normalize the fact that it's trying because if you're only surrounded by people who make it look easy or the media or, I don't know, everyone who makes it look easy, you kind of feel like you're failing and that's not the case. It can be tricky and you can stick with it or you cannot.

Laura

It's totally up to you. Yeah. And one other thing is I say follow legendary milk on Instagram. That's a legendary with D A I R Y like dairy like milk, right? Legendary milk on Instagram. They are always posting really, really interesting breastfeeding and pumping tips. And Yeah, they're trying to sell you their supplements, but I did find... I never bought a single one of their supplements, but I did find their information super, super helpful. So that's a concrete tip.

Shanna

Yes, I love it. That's great. All right. Next question. This is from Hannah. Hannah says, Laura, where is the second baby going? Are you moving or will they share a room?

Laura

I want to know this too. I don't know. Well, I know. I mean, I know for the first few months, the baby will be room sharing with me and Corey. It's like, you know, he's going to be in the snoo right next to us like my first was. And then I don't know. We have not made any progress with moving. Oh, OK. And that takes a while. And we don't have a, you know, I didn't wake up to discover a thousand extra square feet on my house. So yeah, I have no idea. We're either going to move or they're going to have to room share.

Shanna

Or you and Corey can stay in the ADU in the back and the boys can just take over the house.

Laura

Honestly, it has literally crossed my mind. We can just stay in the back. I don't think that's safe. Technically, we'd be in a different structure. But it did occur to me. I was like, maybe we should just sleep in the guest unit. They can have the house. Oh, man. I actually did consider, I told Corey, I was like, should we move into the nursery, which is smaller, and give the boys our master because it's bigger and they can be further apart from each other? And he was like, no, no, no.

Shanna

No. If they're going to be in the same room, the vicinity of how close they are is probably not going to matter. I think I'm on team Corey with this one.

Laura

But in our room, we could put the futon and both cribs, which we couldn't do. The futon's really nice for getting them dressed before bedtime and all that stuff. So I don't know. Anyway. Sorry, Hannah. I don't know. I don't know yet. And it's stressing me out. Keep us updated on that. I will. I will. Okay, next question is from Sasha. She says, what is your favorite and least favorite thing about being a mom? Whoa. Whoa.

Shanna

That's a deep question.

Laura

That's a big question.

Shanna

That is a big question. All right, my favorite thing. I don't know if it's my ultimate favorite thing, but it's what's coming to me now. And I know I love it so much. My favorite thing about being a mom is raising these little humans and watching them grow. and develop and I'm just constantly in awe of like how much they're learning and how their personalities are coming out and how I can foster that and be part of that journey for them. I just think it's the coolest, coolest thing. And of course, all of the love and snuggles and the warmth and I mean, oh my God, that's, that's amazing too. I just, I love, I love all of that. What about you? What's your favorite part of being a mom?

Laura

Yeah, I was thinking the other night, I was like, I wish I could like bottle like just like kissing his cheeks right now. Like the just like they're so soft. Like I had this thought. I was like, oh my God, he's going to like grow stubble in a decade. And like, I'm not going to miss. I'm just like, I just want to kiss so soft little cheeks forever. You know, like they're just. It does fill you with this joy that you didn't even know was possible. Yeah, I think not to piggyback on your answer, but maybe a little bit more specific about it. Just watching the brain develop, watching how this personality comes out, and they come up with things that you just

Shanna

They're so good. They're so fantastic. Well, pivoting to the other part of the question, which is, what is your least favorite part about being a mom? That's a tough one. It's hard to even want to answer that, right? Because as a mom, you want to just be like, it's all amazing and the journey is so wonderful.

Laura

That's so funny because I'm like, oh, I know they answer right away.

Shanna

Well, I think what I would say to that is that boundaries are probably, I would say my biggest challenge, like keeping boundaries for myself and not getting burned out, especially in this last year. It's been so, so hard for me with two kids home all the time and working my job. and doing the podcast. There are a lot of things I want to do for myself, even beyond the things I have to do. But I always feel the pull to make them the top priority. And if I don't, then it's like, oh, I feel really bad about that. And so finding a way for me to feel OK about being like, I can't be with you right now. I love you, but I can't be with you right now is a huge challenge for me. And I hate having to do that. And I don't like that, oftentimes, Parts of myself and what I want to do are sacrificed for that.

Laura

Yeah.

Shanna

Yeah, what about you?

Laura

Yeah, mine is very in a very similar vein But it's interesting because like I said I was just like I immediately knew what I was gonna say which is it's like the lack of Me time is what I'm it's my least favorite thing and I you know I worked from home in independently as a freelancer for five years before I had my kids. So I was very used to having a lot of unstructured me time and I really enjoyed it. And I really mourn the loss. right now of the, you know, I don't get huge chunks of time where I can pursue my own projects and just sort of like you said feel justified and like spending the entire afternoon, you know, making a quilt or something or whatever it is that I want to do.

Shanna

I was going to say, this is a challenging and atypical year where we're with them constantly. Yes. It will be better when there's childcare.

Laura

And I do remind myself that this is temporary. I'm not just talking about COVID in this year. I'm talking about they're going to start going to school. They're going to become teenagers. When they're teenagers, I'll probably have plenty of time to quilt because they're going to be like, why are you bothering me, mom? I want to do my stuff, right? So I remind myself this is a season of life. Yes, it is. And my crafts and my gardening and stuff will still be there, but they're not going to, like they say, babies don't keep, right? You're like, look, I'm getting all choked up.

Shanna

So I'm trying to think about those baby snuggles and I know I know just those cheeks.

Laura

So yeah. So I'm just trying to remind myself that like it's it's a season. It's not a permanent thing. And you know what when it's over I'll miss it. So yes. Yeah.

Shanna

Indeed. Well, on that note, I think we need to take a break. I know. I just have my eyes. Yeah. And move on to the last few questions. Yes. Yes.

Laura

That's a really good question. That is a good question. Because it really, really depends. Like, some days we're on and we're just like, bing, bam, boom. We get this out in basically real time. And other days, god, we have so much trouble.

Shanna

The interruptions can be endless. Like, the gardeners, oh, there's an airplane. Oh, my baby's screaming. OK, I'll stop. I'll call you back later. And it's just like, oh, my gosh.

Laura

The garbage trucks just went by. Yes. Well, there's a toddler screaming mama mama. Yeah. So anywhere from 45 minutes to two hours, right? Or like multiple sessions. Like we have sometimes we have to like stop and come back later to finish an episode. Yeah. So it really depends. A lot of times we will even like push a day. We'll say like, let's record tomorrow because last night I got no sleep or whatever. Like, we just know it's going to take us a million years to actually get through because we have so low energy. Yes. We really have to be flexible and play it by ear. We really, really do. But some days, we're on it. We're on it.

Shanna

Oh, yeah. Fire, yeah. Boom, boom, boom. If I have a lot of coffee that day, I'm just like, ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom. And it's all good.

Laura

Or Sudafed.

Shanna

Oh, we're suitable. Oh, too funny. All right, what's our next question?

Laura

Okay, this is from, we actually have it from two people. So Iris wrote in and asked, she said, I just had my first baby and what are some tips on not letting the mom guilt catch up with you? And then we also had Cecilia asking, does the mom guilt ever subside? I feel like I'm not doing enough for my toddler. So we've got two moms, one at the beginning of her journey and one further along. And they're both asking about mom guilt. Mm-hmm. Do you have any tips on mom guilt?

Shanna

Wow, that is such a good topic because it's so true and so prevalent. I would say for Iris, I would say the thing that helped me the most when I had a baby, a new baby, was joining mom's groups. I know Laura and I talk about these mom groups forever, but I joined a couple that were really good and really honest. Like moms who had older kids, toddlers and stuff were on there. Are we talking about like online mom groups or like in person? Yes. Yes. Yes. Mostly Facebook groups, right? Yeah. Facebook groups. Mm-hmm. There were moms who would talk about things in a just real way. You know, there were moms who would be like, oh, I just, my kid is bothering me so much today and this and that and everyone would chime in and be like, oh, I have been there. I know what you mean. And just everyone kind of being together and understanding that This shit's hard. It's not always peachy keen.

Laura

Yeah, I think commiserating with other moms, very, very helpful. I think for me, I've done a pretty good job of avoiding a lot of mom guilt and part of it is, like adopting a like DGAF attitude about a lot of things. Like, you know, like just giving yourself the grace to let a lot of things go and understand that there's no right way to raise a child and that you're able to repair things if they go wrong is really important. So like, I think a lot of people think like, Oh my God, I you know, did this one thing I wasn't able to breastfeed or I yelled at my toddler, right? Like I or I had to do this work thing and my toddler was crying the whole time and now now the toddler is acting like they don't like me anymore or whatever, right? Repair is all possible in those situations. Like it's not like there's no ruining your children. with one thing.

Shanna

And it does get easier as your children get older, because you get more practice at it. And to answer Cecilia's question, it doesn't necessarily subside, but you get a thicker skin in a way, and you get better at dealing with it. And your kids get older and more verbal. If something happens with Elle now, I can sit down and explain myself. I can talk to her. We can talk it out. We can hug it out, you know? And just move on. But that said, that girl knows how to guilt me. She'll be like, mommy, when you are working, I missed you so bad. And she does this like, I'm sorry, Elle, I love you, but I'm pretty sure it's fake crying, you know? And she knows, she knows how to get me. And I've been working on my boundaries too in the last several years of being like, okay, I am still okay. Like she's fine. I'm not responsible for those feelings. We'll work through it.

Laura

Yeah. And I also think that, you know, reading about rye parenting and like gentle parenting, that sort of thing, peaceful parenting, all that stuff really helps diminish the mom guilt. I think because it is very generous towards the parents and it's very low. You know, it sounds like, oh, you have to have this parenting philosophy, but it's all very simple in a lot of ways, right? It's all about the, you know, emotional availability and boundaries and stuff like that, right? So it's very simple and it gives you the grace, right, that things are gonna be okay and that you can sort of have this relationship with your kid without letting the mom guilt catch up. So yeah, I'm there for that. Yeah, me too.

Shanna

So we have one last question. This is from Hannah. Hannah says, do you feel like you love your kids more and more as they age or does it max out at some point?

Laura

Laura, answer this for us. Oh, when he was 30 seconds old, it maxed out, and it's all been downhill from now. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things where it's like I probably wouldn't go on record saying it maxes out, but I'm being honest here and saying that it does not max out. I'm two years in basically, right? And it is absolutely amazing to me how it grows because you think you can't love them more and more, right? Like you think like this is the most I could love any human being in the whole world. Not all the time. There are some times where you're like, You're like, holy shit, kid, right? You still love them, but you're just like, I need some space. But there are those moments where you're snuggling, and they're laughing, and you're so connected, and you're just like, oh my god, how could I love anyone more?

Shanna

Yeah, sometimes I experience the love in different ways. For example, when Elle was born, I had that experience about two or three hours after I'd come out of my groggy-ness. where she was lying in her little bassinet and Steve had run out and I was alone in the room with her and all of a sudden it was like someone literally opened my heart up and every emotion of love I ever in the universe just like flooded into my heart and I was just sobbing with like oh my god I love this little baby so so much. And it was just an amazing experience. And so I can't say I always feel like that exactly because, you know, I had a lot of function. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to function. And I don't think she would turn out like a real healthy person.

Laura

Love bombs these little kiddos.

Shanna

Yeah, they really are. Well, on that note, I think that's it for our bonus episode, Laura. Yes, it is. Listeners, if you want to chime in on anything we talked about, you know we want to hear from you. And if you have any other check in the inbox questions, send them our way. We're going to answer them next time we do this segment. Laura, where can they reach us?

Laura

We are on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook at BFPpodcast. We have a website, BakeBatPositivePodcast.com. If you want to send us an email, you can include a voice memo in that email to contact at BakeBatPositivePodcast.com. And finally, join our Facebook community group. It's a private group. Just search BakeBatPositiveCommunity, request to join, answer the two membership questions so I can make sure you're not a robot, and then I will send you through to the amazing community we have going on in there, and you can join in on all the Awesome discussions and ask some more questions of the other parents in the group.

Shanna

Yes, absolutely. And if you love our show, please rate and review us wherever you listen to podcasts and spread the word. Let your friends know about BFP. Our show is produced by Laura Birek, Shanna Micko, and Steve Yager. Thanks for listening, everyone. Have a good day. Bye.